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Discussion in 'Computer Hardware' started by BlueScreen, Jan 25, 2015.

  1. aljowen

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    Not sure how well it will sell to enthusiasts really.

    However, for people who want a retro aesthetic computer at all costs, this could be a winner. Could be an ideal inner city "expensive coffee shop" computer. It allows you to have that retro styling with moderately up to date hardware. Equally, for people who do a lot of typing it could be a nice choice, since you don't need high end specs, just solid robust hardware with battery life and a nice typing feel, with the extra retro aesthetic once again it could be a winner. Think of it more as a MacBook alternative for people who don't want a mac.

    But I am not sure if that style of Lenovo is old enough yet to have gone full circle to being back in fashion.
     
  2. Michaelflat

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    Basically the same as my thoughts..
     
  3. Tsutarja495

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    If you want the "retro" aesthetic, the solution is simple: JUST GET AN OLDER THINKPAD.
     
  4. aljowen

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    But then you have the compromises that come with older hardware.
     
  5. Eastham

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    I'd rather not have people drive up the prices on old ThinkPads... They make great inexpensive work horses.
     
  6. SixSixSevenSeven

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    i didnt even realise its only a dual core, versus the xps15 i previously compared being quad
     
  7. aljowen

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    It's not as if you need a quad core to run MS Office and Edge. As far as a thin laptop goes I would much rather have two more powerful cores than four less powerful ones, since you are limited by power draw at the end of the day. If my current Laptop's I7 had 4 cores equalling roughly the same multicore performance as its dual core, I would be very not stoked about its performance.
     
  8. Codeslamer

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    You say you don't need high specs to do the things that this laptop is expected to do, which is correct. Yet the thing cost nearly $2000! You're paying high spec prices, and getting the short straw, just so your 'fancy new computer' looks 10 years out of date. Unless they were aiming for it to perform like an older computer too, to keep the nostalgic factor, but we all know thats not true.

    You say that buying an older Thinkpad would come with compromises, which is true, but other than running an older version of everything, there really isn't anything that computer can't do which this one can. Unless you're buying it for the fingerprint scanner and USB-C, which yeah, the older one doesn't have, it doesn't do much else. And while they're not used anymore, the old one atleast had a CD drive too. You get a thin PC (Which I don't really understand why everyone is so obsessed about. Thicker PC's are more powerful and have better batteries) with weak specs and a pretty standard screen, for a price of nearly $2000. It's storage doesn't even reach the 1TB mark...

    I mean, aside from not having the fancy new USB-C and such, and maybe being alittle slower, there isn't anything this computer can do that a laptop for £500 can't. And if you're willing to spend that much on a computer, you'd probably do your research, and probably pick the better computer, as apposed to the one that looks like the old one.

    Sorry for the wall of text. I started typing, so had to finish. :/
     
  9. aljowen

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    You are not paying $2000 for components at all. You are paying $2000 for a machine that is well built, and a machine that is a special edition.

    There isn't anything computation based that a £400 I5 based laptop can't do that a £1500 ultrabook can. And lets face it, there isn't anything that an ordinary person would want to do that a £200 Celeron isn't capable of.
    However when you pay more you get something that is thin and light, has a good quality keyboard and is generally well designed rather than being built to the tightest budget possible all corners being cut. I'm not about to claim that this laptop represents top notch value for money, but you can do far far worse.

    Then there is economy of scale, when you are building an entire keyboard as a one off for one laptop that isn't likely to sell too many. Each individual unit will have to cost more to cover the costs of retooling.
     
  10. Eastham

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    The ThinkPad 25 was supposed to be aimed at the die hard ThinkPad enthusiasts who have a niche collection of ThinkPads... Like me..
     
  11. SixSixSevenSeven

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    But this is the thing. The XPS is cheaper, more powerful and near enough same battery life for many hundreds of dollars less, and yet rivals on the premium build quality, it's not a cheap entry level machine itself.


    Lenovo as a whole are a bit of a flop right now.
     
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  12. aljowen

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    IMO, Laptops such as the XPS13 and Yoga370 are fairly equivalent (both are I5 models however Lenovo is still on 7th gen, Dell is 8th gen).

    Dell XPS13 (£1198.99)
    + Thin Bezels
    + 8GB of Ram (vs 4GB)
    + 256GB SSD (vs 180GB SSD)
    + Lighter weight (100g)​
    Lenovo Yoga370 (£1181.59)
    + Track pointer
    + Touchscreen
    + Digitizer with included stylus
    + Fingerprint reader included
    + 2in1 design
    I would also say that Lenovo using Intel networking rather than Killer networking is a good thing, but that might just be me.

    It depends more on your use case for the device. When I bought my Laptop, there was a set of things I was willing to compromise on, and then there was a set of things that I wasn't willing to compromise on such as 1080pIPS, Digitizer, 2in1, etc. They both offer similar value for money, it's more or less Features(Lenovo) vs Performance(Dell) when comparing these two devices.

    So I would disagree with Lenovo being a flop in general at the moment.
     
  13. Codeslamer

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    I don't know. I try not to be in the whole 'you should do this just because you can' mindset, but I seem to be stuck in it at the moment. It's just, as a buissness decision, makes little sense. Yeah, it's a well build computer. Well, I hope it is, considering the old one was. But when compared to other laptops in the price range, it's just pretty much worse in all aspects. The only reason people would be interested in this PC over all the others, are as Eastham said:
    But they're not Apple. They don't have a massive lineup of people willing to drop £1000 on a phone which is mostly the same as their last model. Few people are gonna be interested in this, and even at it's high price point, I don't see them making much of a return on this atall.

    It's great that they've made something nostalgic out of an older product. But they shouldn't be trying to put it up against the top laptops in the market, when it doesn't have anything better against them.

    But as I started this post, I don't know... I'm not even really interested in laptops, so I don't know why I've got anything to say about it, but here we are
     
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  14. aljowen

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    I think they should have gone all in. They should have embraced that it was going to be a niche product, made it full on flagship (same spec as their top tier flagship), added the 4:3 or at least 16:10 screen the community wanted, with the keyboard and other bits and then charged £500-£1000 more than their flagship. Going full on special edition, balls to the wall style.
     
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    You know something is a bit fucky when your "retro" laptop is just a current model T470 with the better keyboard design (which is only like 4 years old) and a colourful logo on the lid, doesn't seem very retro to me.

    On another but related topic I actually just got a Thinkpad T420 a couple of days back. i5 2520m, 4gb of RAM, upgraded battery and in generally good condition overall, great for only £50. I will probably upgrade it to an i7 for a bit more power if I need it and get a new/plastidip the lid since its a bit rough.
     

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  16. Michaelflat

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    hmmm should i update GPU drivers or just leave them as surprisingly it works, i think ill just leave them not updated :p
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    enthusiasts want more than a dual core 15w chip and old GPU. as for the coffee shop idea yeah i agree with you but it needs to be a bit cheaper and no GPU for that, like Intel HD620 integrated and the GPU being optional
     
  17. SixSixSevenSeven

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    My PC is running again with a custom water loop. Interesting how some people are like "you must get a pwm operated pump". There's no difference in temps from pump speed really, just noise and max head pressure
     
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  18. Racermon

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    I always say "as long as it works it doesn't have to be pretty"
    It kinda applies here

    IN OTHER NEWS

    I got my 2nd monitor back
    I learned that I can't use my cpu's graphics (if it is the cpus I honestly don't know) with my GPU so I had to rummage around for a dvi to vga adapter to use it
    But hey
    It works :p
     
  19. aljowen

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    I think most people who hate on Vga do so because it is cool to hate on it. In my experience it seems to be a pretty robust display standard as long as you don't need anything more than 1080p.
     
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  20. Racermon

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    I always run 1366 x 768 I don't need more than that
    Plus I never have used higher than that so I am used to the lower resolutions
    I seem to notice that once you get something better and get used to it you can't go back down to what you used to have
    Like 60fps for example
    I got used to 60fps but have played using 30fps for years and now when I see 30 fps I notice the fps difference

    I could have gotten a high res HDMI monitor but I didn't want it because the stress of my pc vs what I see wasn't good enough in my eyes
    Just depends on the person though :p
    To RGB or not to RGB XD