Getting A PC

Discussion in 'Computer Hardware' started by Jocri67, May 4, 2017.

  1. VeyronEB

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    This thread is full of questionable advice. You are 100% better off going for an AMD Ryzen CPU, the old FX series and the APUs are pretty crap, they will run the game but for the money don't make sense unless you are buying used or something.

    The Ryzen CPUs do better in general and especially in BeamNG than the equivalently priced Intel CPUs over all of the models I've seen tested, but at the end of the day the game can only handle maybe 10 cars without crashing to desktop and alot of CPUs will be able to do that.

    Something along the lines of the AMD R5 1600, GTX 1060 are much better value for money and make actual sense.

    Made a list pretty quick, reasonable price and should cover most of what you are looking for and for the same price as that A10 and 1050Ti system, just with much much more performance,

    https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/VeyronEB/saved/XGqf7P
     
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    Would be irrelevant as they picked a 1050Ti not a 1050[/QUOTE]
     
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  3. Acrain7

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    how much money do you have exactly?
    i would personally recommend a gtx 1070 and either a high-end i5 or medium to high-end i7 core
    also should go with at least 8gb ram, i would recommend 16.
    (i have an i7 6700k and a gtx 1070 8gb, and 32 gig ram. i run beam 60fps max everything)

    also you want an ssd for OS (operation system) and a HDD (hard drive) for everything else. 7200rpm is good for hdd
     
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  4. SixSixSevenSeven

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    BeamNG runs better on processors with better single core performance like intel. Better single core performance and being a single core processor are very different things and speak to a lack of technical knowledge.
    BeamNG takes huge advantage of multiple cores, when you use multiple vehicles.
    HDD read/write lifetimes are shorter than SSDs. Both the main drive bearings and the rate the platter wears at (it does lose field strength through repeat rewrites) result in shorter lifespans than modern flash along with the risk of dataloss during exposure to magnetism and physical damage.
    Anything 1050Ti and up is intended for gaming. Even the 1050 is a modest budget gaming card. The sole purpose is gaming. The GTX line is not pitched at graphics work at all, thats what NVidia sell quadros for.
     
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  5. Jocri67

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    Lol, thanks guys. I am anyways most likely getting an A10-7870K and an HDD, loading times isn't the most important thing to me.
     
  6. SixSixSevenSeven

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    the A10 doesnt run BeamNG very well at all, even overclocked it struggles with larger vehicles.

    HDD is still a perfectly fine choice to save cost, you dont really need an SSD, its just a complete falsehood that they are more reliable.
     
  7. Jocri67

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    @Acrain7 I don't think I could afford an i5 or i7. My money right now is at slightly under 400, but towards the end of the year I should be able to afford a *decent* gaming PC (My family is helping me out). I'm not only gonna be playing BeamNG, I'm also gonna play games which require less performance, so I won't use extra money just for one game. I'd also like to know how much your PC cost.
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    @SixSixSevenSeven Dang, I don't have a lot of money. Is there some decently priced processor which could run BeamNG well with quite high graphics?
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    @VeyronEB Thanks dude, that's really helpful to me. I'm only looking to run a few cars on high setting with 40-60FPS. The unfortunate part is that I live in Finland, where everything is overpriced, so I would probably order my PC from a German site and I don't think that they have the Ryzen 5 1600. Of course, I could just order the parts from Germany and build it myself, but by ordering from the site I could get a keyboard and a monitor at the same time.
     
  8. VeyronEB

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    Ah well if you want to save even more going down to a R5 1500x would help. I think you would be best overall to go with the cheaper option, build it yourself then order the keyboard and monitor separately as you will likely still save a little overall if the parts are cheaper.
     
  9. Rolph

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    Do yourself a favour and don't get that A10 APU. It might somehow handle things for now, but computer is one of those things which are used for quite a long time. And there isn't much to upgrade from A10.

    If you don't have much money now and can't get more, Intel Skylake or Kabylake i3 would be a better choice. Later when you save some more money, you could reuse the same motherboard and just buy new or used i5 or i7 CPU

    Ryzen is good also, but that depends on how it is priced in the place where you are going to buy and if you can get it

    http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-A10-7850K-APU-vs-Intel-Core-i3-7100/2937vs3891
     
  10. Jocri67

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    Since you guys are talking about used parts, I was wondering if PC components lose performance over the years?
     
  11. InFiNiTy

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    Yes and no. They get wear - ofc, but nothing to talk about. You should avoid getting once extremely overclocked hardware.
     
  12. Rolph

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    As far as I know, no. At least not because of usage. What can lower the performance is higher temperatures due to dust and thermal compound getting old. But when buying used parts, none of that most likely is going to be an issue
     
  13. Jocri67

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    @VeyronEB I now realized that the prize on list that you made isn't quite the same as the one I made, because I need a monitor, keyboard, and Windows which is a €200 additional prize, which means that for that Ryzen PC I'd be paying 1k.
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    @VeyronEB I could also get a used monitor for 50 bucks, which means that my build would cost me 900, and that's affordable. Not to mention that I can sell my 'potato' for 100 bucks (It's a great laptop, it just isn't made for gaming) and my tv for another 100 bucks (It's what I use as a monitor, it's not very good though, especially not with computers. Works fine with consoles) And now I realised another thing: If I get a gaming PC I won't need my PS3 anymore = another 80 bucks. This means that getting that PC won't be as much of a problem.
     
  14. gigawert

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    Not necessarily single PC components (except possibly mechanical hard drives), but over time the computer as a whole will naturally become slower as you download more stuff and write more data to it. That's why I periodically uninstall programs I don't think I'll use for a long time and clear my browsing data from Google Chrome.

    Also I would not recommend buying used parts. That can get sketchy and the seller could easily get away with leaving some details out.
     
  15. Rolph

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    Buying used parts depends a lot on luck, I think. You can get something perfectly fine or something that dies a few days later. I most likely won't buy used parts ever (at least anytime soon), because where I live local market is small, but buying from other countries isn't a good option due to high shipping expenses if I would need to return something
     
  16. SixSixSevenSeven

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    Computer parts do not degrade in performance, nor does amount of data you have in hard drive impact performance (besides some paging and fragmentation issues).

    Issue is more over time you having more things running like discord and stuff that you didn't have when the PC was new, malware, Microsoft adding features to windows that are running in background etc.

    Computer parts besides hard drives tend to work at 100%condition until they just suddenly fail catastrophically for some reason (which won't usually be plain age).
    Electrolytic capacitors do go bad with age and can then fail causing part failure too, most commonly on your power supply but there's some on motherboard and graphics card.
     
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  17. Jocri67

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    I don't know if anyone will be seeing this as this thread is quite old, but in about a month my money should be at about 800€.
    I've thought about getting a 1050 Ti along with the R1500X, which was a part of my original plan. If I get lucky and stumble upon sales I might be able to get something nicer, but if not the 1050 ti and Ryzen will do.

    Something like 40 FPS on MED-HIGH settings for BeamNG should also be good enough for me, as I'm also gonna be playing games which require less performance.


    The 5 months since May when I first made this thread have gone really fast, and I can't wait to get a proper PC finally. I wanna thank everyone for helping me here by giving good information and good advice.

    If anyone cares I'll post about my new PC once I get it on this thread with some final "thank yous" I guess. After getting my PC there's a chance I'll become more active on the BeamNG threads over-all.
    I have nothing else to say really so I'll just end this here.
     
  18. blueshift

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    My PC was about $700 once built, and has an i5-6500 and 4 GB R9 380. Depending on the map I get anywhere from 35 fps on average for the most intensive maps, and for light maps a smooth 60. I use the following settings:

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    If you're willing to spend about €80 more, I have configured a build that I believe will run BeamNG just fine.

    €800 is about $942 USD, €880 is about $1037

    PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RmZWHN
    Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RmZWHN/by_merchant/

    CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($194.29 @ OutletPC)
    Motherboard: MSI - B350 PC MATE ATX AM4 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Newegg)
    Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($162.99 @ Amazon)
    Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($117.49 @ OutletPC)
    Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($66.88 @ OutletPC)
    Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB ARMOR OCV1 Video Card ($259.99 @ Newegg)
    Case: NZXT - S340 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
    Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($75.98 @ Newegg)
    Total: $1037.60 (~€880)

    It is nearly €100 over your budget, so here are a few notes:
    - The power supply is overkill (PCPP estimates peak usage at 299W so you should be fine with a 500W)
    - 16 GB of RAM while not necessary I'd definitely recommend (as a user of 8 GB)
    - I threw in an M.2 SSD to install Windows and frequent programs on, a traditional SSD will do if that's too much (I wouldn't recommend running the OS off of a mechanical drive)
    - Picked the S340 Elite as it is from a reputable brand (I use a non-Elite S340 and I previously used a Source 220) and has multiple color choices but cheaper cases will do
     
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  19. Codeslamer

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    If you're really trying to cut the cost of it down, I totally recommend just a HDD for the OS. Yeah, they're deffinantly slower. Loading times will be longer, for the OS, programs, games, and whatever else. By a fair amount too honestly. But they're not deal breakers. They're still plenty fast enough for everything a computer will go up against in 2017. I've yet to have an SDD computer and had never had a place where my HDD significantly slowed me down, unless copying a proper thicc file. One of my computers boots a fairly well used Windows 7 OS in under 30 seconds. Dispite only having a 5700 HDD

    Obviously, if you can, go for the SSD. The only thing I'd atleast research with the build is the Seagate HDD. Many people I know either have or had Seagate HDD's, and they just don't seem to last very long.
     
  20. blueshift

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    Good points...

    My biggest annoyance isn't even loading times (it's #2). My biggest annoyance with them is the noise; I run Windows off of my SSD (250 GB Crucial BX100) so noise isn't really an issue. I do however have a 150 GB partition for Ubuntu Gnome 17.04 on my 1 TB WD Blue, and the noise it makes sometimes can sometimes be heard even with headphones on.

    That is true, I chose the Barracuda for being the only 7200 rpm 3 TB drive I could find.

    30 seconds is very quick... joking aside, you must be really patient :)
     
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