Update Speculation thread

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by crazikyle, Jan 26, 2016.

  1. ManfredE3

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    I am nearly completely convinced that using the Roamer's cab for the D15 and saying that the D25 and up were a different vehicle (refer to 1999-2016 Ford Superduty) would have been a better choice, but I don't think this is impossible to pull off. The issue is that it isn't bulbous enough for the 2000's, which may be fixable with some new body panels in the same way that the FCV has a set of body panels for the Vivace and a wider set for the Tograc. That chisled line definetly has to go. I'm no CaptainZoll when it comes to photoshop so my moc up ability is limited, but I think this would at least be passable. We already need an entire new front end for the facelift, the bed/tailgate and doors would be easy, but the challenge is then the cab. It isn't as reasonable to then have 2 variations for the single, extended, and crew cabs (+2 more if we want to include the Charro in this for some bizarre reason). Also, 2000's era accessories would help a lot. Insert the discussion we all had with the pre-facelift mirrors.

    The Roamer interior and a new bed would go a long way too.

    As for the configs, since there's no sign of that new UI I assume we will be seeing them use similar strategy as the previous D-Series facelift, just change out a couple of the existing configs to have the new parts.



    On the discussion of D-Series body work, I just want to put a reminder here: The D15 RS still doesn't have a body kit like the Roamer RS and GM RS do. She looks really out of place next to her 1990's factory supercharged cousins.
     
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  2. J3TTF

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    If you look closely you can see that the A-Pillar of the D-Series looks near identical to that of the H-Series', which is rounder. This leads me to believe the A-Pillar of the D-Series will be rounded for this update.
     
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  3. Snikle

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    Since I drive an early '00s pickup truck, I'm really hoping to see some more roundedness, like the jelly-bean Fords or 1st Gen Tundras (Which is what I have). As long as the roofline isn't as chiseled as the current model it would look great. That said, even if that doesn't happen, I am still very happy about getting another D-Series to play with either way. More content is always good.
     
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    That’d be a good solution.
     
  5. HadACoolName

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    Even if it retains the old body. More content is still better than no content.

    I'd take a 2000's facelift slapped onto an 80's bodyshell over nothing any day.

    Granted a whole new body would be preferable, I'll take what I can get
     
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    I don’t really agree. Quality over quality, you know? A 2000s facelift on the 80s body looks stupid, and it doesn’t belong in the game.
     
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  7. MisterKenneth

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    Those taillights look great.


    Also, to add to the discussion, isn't it a common practice in the auto industry for the same body and frame to be produced for a long span of years with only a few tweaks here and there?
     
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  8. Harkin Labs Gaming

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    The squarebody GMs were used for more than 20 years, but the problem is that the Roamer exists. Why would they not share parts? Literally every early SUV shared everything except rear doors, interior, and windows with their pickup counterparts. If Gavril were a real car company, they would have a pickup bed on a Roamer cab after the Roamer was introduced.
     
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  9. CaptainZoll

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    I personally don't think the 2000s facelift on the 90's body is the problem, while they do differ IRL from the 90's bodies, like the GM models shown below, the 80's truck still has a much more vastly different body shape.
    I still think if they should entirely remodel a body, that effort would be better directed towards the pre-facelift.
     
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  10. Slugfest

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    No, cause if they do that, we're gonna have yet another car before the '00s, not after, which we really need more of. :(
     
  11. CaptainZoll

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    but the '85 D series already exists. this is just making it more fleshed-out.
     
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    The issue is how you define "long span" and "only a few tweaks". It is not uncommon for these trucks to keep the same frame for a fairly long time but have a new body placed on it once in awhile. This is actually already represented by the Roamer: it is a new body on the same frame. Minor facelifts are very common and major facelifts do happen. Again already represented with the pre-facelift and intermediate fascia's on the D-Series and the facelift on the Roamer. However, continuously slapping on a new fascia to an old body is not so common, especially for 21 years as will be the case with this facelift. The fact that the Roamer's 1999-2006 facelift fascia & rear bumper has made it's way onto what is supposed to be a 1985/1988 truck, so far with the only other changes being to the door handles, is just odd. Especially since we already have the Roamer, which was the perfect cab for this era of D-Series as it's already a truck based SUV on this platform, which as far as I know always uses the cab from the truck that they are based on anyway.

    Like I mentioned earlier today, I don't think this is impossible to pull off, but if this is the finished product I would have to agree with SuperAusten. I already love the look of the rear bumper on the pickup. If they get rid of that chiseled bodyline to make it more round overall and put a new interior in it then I'll be fine with stretching this body for such a long time.

    It is possible for both of these to happen actually, which IMO would be the best case scenario both in terms of content and realism since it would get rid of that weird quirk with the Roamer's body being unique. We could take the Ford Superduty route and split the D15 from the D25/35, so that the Roamer cab gets the D15 and this facelift gets the D25/35. That gives us a lot more options to play with for a relatively low initial resource cost, since the only new parts would be modified versions of cabs we already have and new pickups beds. The drawbacks of this would be high maintenance costs (3 generations of the standard/extended/crew cabs, plus the Charro, Kentarch, Roamer, and Roamer XL that we already have. If I had my way there would be a Charro Roamer in there as well) and it could be confusing for casual players, especially since there is absolutely no good way to tackle this with the UI we currently have.



    As for this conversation above with the 1980's pre-face-lift... I see two options here.
    A: Just push the model year back to 1988 and adjust the rest of the line's mode years accordingly. It would take like 60 seconds to do and would then make sense.
    B: As cool as a square body stand in would be, it's just so much more work than option A...
     
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  13. NGAP NSO Shotgun Chuck

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    lol
     
  14. MisterKenneth

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    Don't really have a good answer for why Gavril would do that. The only thing that comes to mind is possible intent to make the Roamer as unique as possible from the D-Series, and even that probably doesn't even come close to explaining it. I'm not even satisfied with that answer, but right now it's the best I got.


    I wrote my post with vehicles like the 1997 - 2011 Ford Crown Victoria and 1990 - 2016 Land Rover Defender in mind. I think there's also the instances of the original Volkswagen Beetle, the new Dodge Challenger, and the Lada Niva/4x4. I know those aren't the same kind of vehicles as the D-Series, but I think they check out when demonstrating my point.

    Here's a few guesses of mine.

    A. Instead of redefining the D-Series from below the ground up, Gavril finds it cheaper to use mostly the same stuff from the earlier D-Series models, only adding a few new stuff when needed/required, saving money in the long run.

    B. Gavril adopting a "if it ain't broken, why fix it?" kind of mindset, especially if the D-Series is selling really well, despite the oddities.

    C. How long would the older D-Series actually use the parts from the 1999 - 2006 Roamer? Who's to say Gavril wouldn't throw on the newer Roamer parts onto the old D-Series for a while before finally introducing a completely new D-Series?

    D. All of the above?

    In the end, I'm probably way off.
     
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  15. vmlinuz

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    The Roamer is a family SUV, so it gets the latest in styling, comfort and technology. The D-Series, on the other hand, is first and foremost a work truck - it doesn't need all the extras, in fact it's probably better off without them.
     
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  16. CaptainZoll

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    It's not actually that unreasonable for the same cab to be used for ~20 years. Ford used the same cab and doors in 3 facelifts, from 1980 to 1997. push that forward 5 years, from 1985 to 2002, and consider that the cab design was a bit ahead of its time for '85, it starts to seem somewhat plausible.

    you know what still isn't plausible? OHC V8s in pickup trucks in 1985.
    Wen Relez OHV conversion devs???
     
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  17. HadACoolName

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    I mean.. it could be for the South American market.

    Thats not far fetched in the slightest really.
     
  18. Agent_Y

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    I'm not an expert but to me it would be more realistic if the facelift had a separate cab and bed that would be more rounded and more modern in terms of safety. And also it would be cooler because more variety. They could also make it a next gen D-Series as a separate vehicle but it doesn't seem like this will be the case.
     
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    At first I didn't notice many novelties except the new taillights, the new bumper for the D-series and its new door handles.
    But if we look closely we can see that the hinges at the back of the van are now hidden and the glass on its rear doors has thicker black edges.
    Moreover on the pickup the rear wheel arches are now black and the tailgate has a smoother shape.
     
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  20. TubroTerra

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    I noticed that roofline looks more round and more modern.

    Almost as if It not just a minor change

    But a new generation?
     
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