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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by crazikyle, Jan 26, 2016.
Very good when it released but got more and more dated as time went on.
I think it's high unlikely that the Ibishu Pessima will receive an inline six, although it would be a very interesting thing. Sure, there were some cars with transverse mounted engines that came equipped with inline sixes from factory, but it was rare (I remember the Chevrolet Epica, the Volvo S80, the first generation Volvo XC60 and the Land Rover Freelander 2). What I think it may happen, if the devs want to do something really different, is a racing version with a modified chassis to fit a longitudinal mounted V6 engine, like the DTM versions of the Alfa Romeo 155 and the Opel Calibra.
That would be amazing, but only if the engine revs to 12,000 RPM like the Alfa
That would be great! Everyone loves a high-revving naturally aspirated engine, as well as the V6 Busso that originated the earlier engines used by Alfa when they competed in the DTM, although the PRV V6 used in the 1996 ITC season was also great.
Since you mentioned the Volvo models, can you imagine a Jargl brand with Sedans, Wagons and (why not?) SUVs having the build quality of a vault and being powered by transverse FWD (or longitudinal RWD) Turbocharged Inline-5s and Inline-6s? That would be great! But I guess Jargl is dead now, so...
The longitudinal V6 engine in the BeamTCC Pessima would be nice but (as proven by the 155 DTM) it would require a major redesign of the front end to make it lower. What we see here is mild in comparison.
Really? The humble PRV? That's very interesting!!
Also, an Italian RWD Sport Sedan powered by a high revving V6 would also be really nice!! But I guess the Autobello name wouldn't be fit for such a car...
the new pessima always reminded me of a mix of a mazda 626 and an early 2000's nissan pulsar
edit: the pulsar is basically an almera
For me, the new pessima remind me more a nissan sentra
I would love to see something more Swedish in BeamNG, with high safety standards, interior materials and build quality. Volvo is one of my favorite car brands. For some people, they seem to be uncool, but for me, they're among the coolest cars ever. I personally love their turbobricks, they're like the ultimate sleepers. The 745 Tutbo Intercooler, the 240 Turbo and the 850 T5-R are some of the finest sleepers ever made. In fact, I saved a ETK I-series configuration I made as "Volvo 740 Turbo Intercooler". It has a 2.4L turbocharged engine mated to a 5-speed manual transmission, some chrome and ABS brakes. To make it even more of a sleeper, I made it a metallic beige (I can't remember the name of the color) with beige interior.
About the PRV being used in the Alfa Romeo 155 in the 1996 ITC season, I read it somewhere that it had something to do with the block being a 90-degree V6, which would allow the development of a more efficient intake design, generating more airflow, more power and an even higher redline. The Busso was a 60-degree V6. They could use it because Lancia had used the PRV V6 in the Thema some years earlier, and, since both manufacturers were part of the Fiat Group, the ITC rules of that time allowed the use of that engine in the 155 that would race in the series. There were some rumours at that time that the engine used in the ITC 155 was the Alfa Romeo Montreal V8 engine with two cylinders less, but these rumours were not true. Actually, they used the humble PRV V6.
I totally agree, a Swedish brand could definitely fill at least one niche in BeamNG!
Even the more basic versions of the old Volvos are cool because of the squared-off shape, the large dimensions and, of course, their vault-like build quality (and weight, since the large RWD wagons used to weigh around 2 tonnes, even with around 130hp lugging them around)!
And the Volvo Inline-5s are some of the toughest engines ever made, so there's plenty of Swedish material to be represented in BeamNG!
Hahaha! I wouldn't say the ETK I-Series reminds me of the Volvo 740 because, unlike that car, it's light on its feet and slidey but to each their own I guess!
Also, the metallic beige colour you're probably looking for is called the "Champagne"! Check it to make sure!
Yes, I can see why they used the PRV because 90° also make for a lower engine block than what 60° can do and because the 60° are easier to be packaged transversely in FWD vehicles than 90°, which are better for longitudinal RWD applications! I had watched Davide Cironi's video about the 155 DTM, where the Italian interviewee said that the basic block design was derived from Lancia but they simply advertised it as being the Busso, purely for marketing!
P.S.: Check this out! It's from my personal documents and it's almost 5 years old! The car has Isle of Man plates and is RHD (not mine, I just felt really lucky to spot this car outside my house )! It was lying around in my neighborhood for a year but now it's probably gone back to the Isle because it was fully operable every time I saw it rolling and I hope it still is!
Such a car, a big lump of Swedish lead (as Clarkson once said), would be great in BeamNG, don't you think?
It would be great! IIRC (don't kill me on this please) Jargl from the concept stage list was Swedish. It is certainly out of date, and cannot really be used for speculation, but it does (somewhat) prove that the devs have thought about a Swedish brand at least once. And I also love Swedish cars (hence my Saab 9-5 NG SportCombi pfp). The I5s are pretty bulletproof. On a somewhat related note, when I first started driving, I was dead set on trying to get a Volvo 960, which was, in essence, the final brick-shaped RWD Swedish mommymobile. I couldn't find one (not surprising, as Michigan winters + Michigan roads + RWD = totaled car), so I just bought an older Nissan Titan, which I loved. That is, until someone threw a glass bottle out of their window, and I ran it over at 70 MPH, causing me to slam into the barrier, totaling my car . That was really fun to explain to my insurance company when I was 18. Anyway, now that I am finished with my little off-topic rant about my experiences with cars, what does everyone actually think of the possibility of a Swedish brand coming to BeamNG?
Yes, in that outdated list, Jargl was actually Swedish!
As I said, a Swedish brand could very well be entering the BeamNG lore because Swedish cars (as we used to know them at least, because now both major Swedish brands are owned by the Chinese and they've gone dramatically different directions) have some unique qualities known to everyone: high build quality, high safety, high reliability, high practicality through the ease of use and, the most obvious, unique design!
That unique design, I think, brings us to a dilemma: should Jargl (let's use this name because it's the only name ever proposed for the Swedish brand) follow the more traditional design path (which still is distinctive enough) or should it be more 'aerospace-y', meaning it has some crazy design details that take your mind to the aerospace industry? Or should it follow the third and most difficult path, which is mixing both? Hmmm... Questions, questions...
P.S.: My car experience is nothing to brag about. We only have a Mazda 6 1.8 GH and a '98 Hyundai Atos, without power steering!
edit: Since there are two American and two Japanese brands in BeamNG, there could also be the chance of the Swedish brands being two and each showing its unique automotive approach! Why not?
As long as they give us turbo bricks, I'm good
IMO the Mk2 Pessima isn't really the kind of car to compete in the DTM. The cars best suited for that role would be the 200BX, either as a specially developed car for DTM or as a JGTC hybrid, with a JGTC chassis and a 2.5 NA V6, or the I-Series, as the adaptation to the more liberal Class 1 rules of a previous Group A touring car (like the Mercedes 190E)
I just realized how much we need a JGTC 200BX in the game
Well on the Topic of 200BX. Since i think 2015/6 They said there will be a V8 swap that never happened ( Think of a 6.9 in the thnig :O )
And i do hope this new car is Swedish. But that will mean NO RWD ( just AWD as its new )
And no V8.
Nobody cares what I think about the new Pessima, Or even the upcoming sedan.
On the other hand Maybe the pessima shouldn't get a lot of engines. For example the Honda accord from the same timeline has 2 engines, the Nissan Altima from same time has one engine. My speculation is that the Pessima might not get any extra engines.
considering this has been two update cycles in length, having one scratch-new car and one remaster doesn't seem like that much, and considering the covet and 200BX remasters were initiated a couple of updates ago, I could see them also getting their large pass of remastering work done at the same time.
at very least, I'm expecting they'll standardise the 1.5, 1.8, 2.0, and 2.7 Ibishu motors among all of the 80s/90s Ibishus, as it currently is with the Gavrils and Bruckells.
I cant understand or see new things in Pessima remaster
Could you explain me? Pls?
Huh?, I don't think the pessima should have a lot of engine choices. That's all I said.