Update Speculation thread

You could easily cover that with an '88 Pessima facelift - the sixth-gen Mitsubishi Galant was produced from '87 to '94, with a facelift in '91. You could even have an E90 Corolla situation, where the car's produced in South Africa until 2006 or later.

I think the '96 Pessima being remastered with the H-Series and the Bolide and being developed alongside the Bastion in the same period meant that something had to give, and it was unfortunately the '96 Pessima. There's very few parts shared between those four models, so it's not like the LeGran/Wendover, D/H/Roamer, Pigeon/Wigeon, K/800, or T/MD, where adding a part for one vehicle meant that two others could get it. (And the devs probably reckoned that the '96 Pessima's better as a traffic car than as a race car - which is a shame, since the '96 Pessima drives so damn well (and its race config is a monster around the track).)

Yeah, and the facelift could've been quite mild (like the one on the I-Series). The Barstow not having a facelift is a bit odd, as well - those were quite common year-to-year for muscle cars (see: 1969 Mustang looking quite different from the 1970 Mustang, the '68-'70 Charger having a different grille each year).

I don't think we'll be seeing an FR straight-six '88 Pessima. The devs are making the Gabe-built cars more like IRL ones (see: BX, Sunburst), and a straight-six FR car would likely be a separate model - maybe a new generation of the Miramar. I suggested a bit ago that the early '88 Pessima could be called the "Miramar Pessima". However, the Miramar would've been a big car by '60s Japanese standards - it's 4.32m long and 1.66m wide, a tad longer than the first straight-six Skyline and 15cm wider than it. Cars of similar width are all big barges, like the Mitsubishi Debonair, Nissan Cedric 30, and Isuzu Bellel. For comparison, the predecessor to the Mitubishi Galant (the Colt 1500, 1965-1969/'70) was 3.91m long and 1.49m wide.

However, we already have a '90s RWD Ibishu platform ready to be used for a larger, RWD Ibishu sedan - the BX. But that probably won't happen for a long time, since we've already got the I-Series and Grand Marshal.

 

Well, kinda same with the Mk1, Hopper, Barstow and Moonhawk

 

Why does everyone call it the Mrk 1

 

It’s probably just a minor spelling mistake people made lol.

 

No not the spelling, just calling it the first gen pessima

 

You also don't even have to mention that "Mk1" or "Mk2" is a Pessima because it's the only model with two separate cars in the vehicle selector. People already know you're talking about the Pessima.

 

Perhaps partly because "first gen" is significantly longer than "MK1" (even "1st gen" is longer)
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And since they mean the same thing, why not choose the shorter one

 

I'm honestly very confused what would be taking around half a year if it wasnt the tire physics, which is an idea stenyak already shot down. Surely not multiplayer. And the devs are usually pretty quick with new cars. I know it takes time, but with a team, a single car doesnt take 6 months.

 

It's not tire physics, and we don't KNOW it's not multiplayer - it IS possible, no matter how unlikely you feel it is. And I agree it's not the car. There's stuff that we're not privy to. Obviously, we're all waiting for them to "announce the reasons for the delay", all the while that message is also delayed (which I find hilarious). It's like a delay for a delay...delay-ception...

 

That mk2 coupe looks like a '96 Hyundai Tiburon\Coupe\Tuscani

 

We got the first teaser for this update in February, and now its almost June. Thats 3 months ago. The devs must've had a real bad cooking fire in the kitchen. I hope everything's alright.

 

Literally 2 pages back, Stenyak posted and said everything was fine

 

Communication could still be a bit better. There isn't a 0.39 will be delayed update post, for example, and stenyak is carrying the burden of being the sole communicator on development.

 

is it me or isnt it a bit weird that the covet, bx and mk1 dont share their engines, sinnce they are basically from the same time. that could give the mk1 more body-styles, Wagon with an economic engine from the covet, a coupe with the sporty 2l from the bx with rwd and maybe a v6 awd usdm variant

 

At the very least give the Mk1 Pessima the Covet engine models so we don't have to look at the pre-Cambrian engine model it has in the game now.

Gavril shares the same four engines between the majority of their lineup so I don't see why Ibishu doesn't.

 

That's likely because the Mk1 Pessima is so old (it was released in update 0.5, 18 December 2015). The BX and Covet share engine textures, which is fitting, considering there've been several examples of Japanese companies sharing engines between FWD and RWD cars:

-Toyota A-Series: E90-E110 Corollas/Sprinters, T200 Celica, L10/L20 Tercel (longitudinal); AE86 Sprinter, A60 Carina/Celica, W10 MR2 (transverse)
-Nissan SR: N14-N16 Pulsar, U12-U14 Bluebird; S13 Silvia/SX, Tommykaira ZZ (transverse)
-Mazda BP: BG Familia/323, KF/KJ Ford Laser, Lantis; NA/NB Miata

The Honda F20C/F22C1 in the S2000 are related to the F-series in the Accord/Prelude of the mid-'90s, and the 4G63 was used in vans, trucks, sedans, the Starion, and the LanEvo/Galant VR-4. So, honestly, the Hopper could get at least some of the Covet/BX engines when it gets remastered/refreshed, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Mk1 Pessima gets the Covet/BX engine models in its remaster/refresh. (I don't think it'll get a longitudinal RWD version, since the Sunburst didn't keep its transverse engines in its remaster. But a V6 would be ballin.)

Because it's the older of the two Pessimas, and we still don't have chassis/engine codes for (most) of the vehicles in the game. I would love it if we did - I even made a whole mod for that (that's quite outdated by this point).

That's probably because the Ibishus were released so far apart from each other - the Covet dropped in 0.3 (August 2013), the BX in 0.3.8.1 (April 2015), the Pessimas in 0.4.1.1 and 0.5 (August and December 2015), and the Hopper in 0.9 (April 2017). The Covet and BX now share engines, and at one point, the '88 Pessima's engine models were put into the Covet, so they'll likely all share models at some point. It's at least understandable for the Miramar to not share engines with the rest of the lineup, since it's so old.

 

I agree, the devs need to expand the lore

 

Either way, I appreciate you not keeping the community in complete darkness. I’d imagine it’s not ideal having to respond to everything with “Someday, maybe….”. I’ll say it at least gives me a bit of a sense of normalcy in this.