I knew that this one would eventually come up. If you are a hard core PC Racing Simulator person, get out now. If you prefer Grand Turismo, please don't start a flame war. You have been warned. So I've been researching this little topic here for the last few days or so, and I must say that I and most other people are disappointed in Forza 5. First of all, there's no weather effects. Isn't that what GT5 was know for? You could race in the rain/snow? Speaking of weather, we'll never see day/night cycles either. But the biggest thing, the huge hot pink elephant in the room, is the car selection. See what's wrong here: 2010 Abarth 500 esseesse 2001 Acura Integra Type-R 2007 Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione 1965 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA Stradale 1971 AMC Javelin-AMX 2013 Ariel Atom 500 V8 2006 Aston Martin #007 Aston Martin Racing DBR9 1964 Aston Martin DB5 2008 Aston Martin DBS 2010 Aston Martin One-77 2012 Aston Martin Vanquish 2012 Audi #1 Audi Sport Team Joest R18 e-tron quattro 2010 Audi R8 5.2 Coupé FSI quattro 2010 Audi R8 Coupé 5.2 FSI quattro 2013 Audi R8 Coupé V10 plus 5.2 FSI quattro 2011 Audi RS 3 Sportback 2006 Audi RS 4 2011 Audi RS 5 Coupé 2013 Audi RS 7 2013 Audi S4 1983 Audi Sport Quattro 2010 Audi TT RS Coupé 2009 BMW #92 Rahal Letterman Racing M3 GT2 2011 BMW 1 Series M Coupe 1973 BMW 2002 Turbo 1981 BMW M1 1991 BMW M3 1997 BMW M3 2005 BMW M3 2008 BMW M3 2003 BMW M5 2012 BMW M5 2011 BMW X5 M 2011 BMW Z4 sDrive35is 2011 Bugatti Veyron Super Sport 1987 Buick Regal GNX 2011 Cadillac CTS-V Coupe 2013 Chevrolet #1 Andretti Autosport Dallara DW12 2013 Chevrolet #12 Team Penske Dallara DW12 2011 Chevrolet #4 Corvette Racing ZR1 2002 Chevrolet Camaro 35th Anniversary SS 1990 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS Coupe 1970 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 1970 Chevrolet Chevelle SS-454 1960 Chevrolet Corvette 1967 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray 427 2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 2009 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 1970 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 1970 Chevrolet El Camino SS 454 1969 Chevrolet Nova SS 396 2012 Chrysler 300 SRT8 2011 Citroen DS3 Racing 2012 Dallara #28 Andretti Autosport DW12 2013 Dallara #9 Target Ganassi Dallara DW12 2012 Dodge Challenger SRT8 392 2012 Dodge Charger SRT8 2005 Dodge SRT4 ACR 1999 Dodge Viper GTS ACR 2008 Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR 1998 Eagle Talon TSi Turbo 1976 Ferrari #1 Scuderia 312T2 1998 Ferrari #12 Risi Competizione F333 SP 2011 Ferrari #62 Risi Competizione F458 Italia 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO 1957 Ferrari 250 Testa Rossa 2007 Ferrari 430 Scuderia 2010 Ferrari 458 Italia 1991 Ferrari 512 TR 2011 Ferrari 599 GTO 2008 Ferrari California 2003 Ferrari Challenge Stradale 2002 Ferrari Enzo Ferrari 2012 Ferrari F12berlinetta 1994 Ferrari F355 Berlinetta 1987 Ferrari F40 1995 Ferrari F50 1984 Ferrari GTO 2011 Ford #5 Ford Performance Racing FG Falcon 1992 Ford Escort RS Cosworth 2011 Ford F-150 SVT Raptor 2014 Ford Fiesta ST 2009 Ford Focus RS 2013 Ford Focus ST 2005 Ford Ford GT 1966 Ford GT40 MkII 1995 Ford Mustang Cobra R 1985 Ford RS200 Evolution 2007 Ford Shelby GT500 2013 Ford Shelby Mustang GT500 1993 Ford SVT Cobra R 2000 Ford SVT Cobra R 1991 GMC Syclone 2012 Hennessey Venom 2011 Holden #1 Toll Holden Racing Team Commodore VE 2011 Holden HSV GTS 2013 Honda #15 Rahal Letterman Lanigan Dallara DW12 2013 Honda #9 Target Chip Ganassi Dallara DW12 1997 Honda Civic Type R 2004 Honda Civic Type-R 2007 Honda Civic Type-R 1992 Honda NSX-R 2005 Honda NSX-R 2009 Honda S2000 CR 2013 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track 2012 Hyundai Veloster Turbo 2011 Infiniti IPL G Coupe 1961 Jaguar E-type S1 2012 Jaguar XKR-S 2009 Jeep Cherokee SRT8 2011 Kia Cee’d 2011 Koenigsegg Agera 2012 Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4 1988 Lamborghini Countach LP5000 QV 1997 Lamborghini Diablo SV 2011 Lamborghini Gallardo LP570-4 Superleggera 1967 Lamborghini Miura P400 2010 Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 SV 1982 Lancia 037 Stradale 1986 Lancia Delta S4 2012 Land Rover Range Rover Supercharged 2009 Lexus IS F 2010 Lexus LFA 2009 Lotus 2-Eleven 1971 Lotus Elan Sprint 2012 Lotus Exige S 2013 Lotus E21 2010 Maserati Gran Turismo S 1991 Mazda #55 787B 2010 Mazda Mazdaspeed 3 1994 Mazda MX-5 Miata 2013 Mazda MX-5 Miata 1997 Mazda RX-7 2011 Mazda RX-8 R3 1976 McLaren #11 Team McLaren M23 1993 McLaren F1 2011 McLaren MP4-12C 2013 McLaren P1™ 1990 Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evolution II 1954 Mercedes-Benz 300SL Gullwing Coupe 2012 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Black Series 2013 Mercedes-Benz G65 AMG 2012 Mercedes-Benz SLK55 AMG 2005 Mercedes-Benz SLR 2011 Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG 1970 Mercury Cougar Eliminator 2009 Mini Cooper John Cooper Works 1965 MINI Cooper S 1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 1999 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR 2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR 1994 Nissan 240SX SE 1970 Nissan Datsun 510 2003 Nissan Fairlady Z 2012 Nissan GT-R Black Edition 2000 Nissan Silvia Spec-R 1971 Nissan Skyline 2000GT-R 1993 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec 1997 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec 2010 Nissan370Z 1968 Oldsmobile Hurst/Olds 442 2012 Pagani Huayra 2009 Pagani Zonda Cinque Roadster 2009 Peugeot #9 Peugeot Sport Total 908 2011 Peugeot 308 GTI 1971 Plymouth Cuda 426 Hemi 1969 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 1977 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 1973 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am SD-455 1969 Pontiac GTO Judge 2010 Renault Megane RS 250 2003 Renault Sport Clio V6 1987 RUF CTR Yellowbird 1995 RUF CTR2 2011 RUF Rt 12 S 2004 Saleen S7 2012 Scion tC 1965 Shelby Cobra 427 S/C 1965 Shelby Cobra Daytona Coupe 2013 Subaru BRZ 1998 Subaru Impreza 22B STi 2004 Subaru Impreza WRX STi 2005 Subaru Impreza WRX STI 2011 Subaru WRX STI 1994 Toyota Celica GT-Four ST205 2003 Toyota Celica SS-I 2013 Toyota GT86 1995 Toyota MR2 GT 1985 Toyota Sprinter Trueno GT Apex 1998 Toyota Supra RZ 2005 TVR Sagaris 2012 Vauxhall Astra VXR 2013 Viper #91 SRT Motorsport GTS-R 2013 Viper GTS 1963 Volkswagen Beetle 1995 Volkswagen Corrado VR6 1992 Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v Mk2 2010 Volkswagen Golf R 2003 Volkswagen Golf R32 1984 Volkswagen Rabbit GTI 2011 Volkswagen Scirocco R Sorry for the awkward formatting... and for the overall length of this thing. But, on topic, there's ONLY 200 cars. That's it. 200. I don't want this. You don't want this. What we want is 500 cars including the silly city boxes and hybrids. Where's the DMC Delorean? Where's the Pagani Zonda? For god's sake, WHERE'S THE FORD CROWN VICTORIA? It deserves a spot in more than 3 games (Ford Racing 2 and 3 and Driver: San Francisco). Are you telling me that you traded 300, more like 400 (including DLC) cars for some fancy graphics for your auto vista? Are you telling me that you couldn't fit all 500 cars on your fancy 50GB Blu-ray disc? It's not all bad though. There's a fancy new A.I. system that acts like real players. Mainly because the I for the A.I. is taken from the playings of other people. There's also a new tire system that makes you have to stay in the Racing Line or you'll slide. I would like the general public's thought's please. I can't be the only one ranting here...
Yes I agree with you but you cant really blame the creators of Forza Motorsports 5 and how bad the car list is because Sony has been buying almost every car model right for Grand Turismo series which is leaving the Forza Series with less cars, hopefully someone can fix the problem and just let the rights be used by Forza and Grand Turismo. As for the weather effects i have no idea why they are not doing the weather effect it would be a nice touch to the game. For some evidence i can see. This is why the cars in forza 5 are older and not very many new cars. Most of the cars rang from 2010 to 2013 and another is no Porsche like in the older games in the series, they replaced them with 1987 RUF CTR, Yellowbird 1995 RUF CTR2, 2011 RUF Rt 12 S and they are also not even the new ones they are older models. The point of the new forza 5 is to drive the new sports cars as well as the older models, with the new and better graphics. RUF is okay but I really want Porsche back.
Yea. I heard about them rendering each layer of paint and the clear coat separately or something like that. It seems like they've been given all this extra computational power and have fuck all to do with it so they're filling it with stuff like this. I'm sure the cars will look WAY better on my 720p tv than they did in forza 4, so much so that I wont care about gameplay anymore. What do I care though. I'm not getting the new xbox anyway.
Lets see what cars they missed off....1973 Ford XB GT Falcon...1996 TVR Cerbera Speed 12, I got over 1100bhp and 800kg from that BEAST... The ones in Bold are the ones I like...yes I like the old Beetle but fit a porche engine to it...it turns into a bunny with sharp spiky teeth and its grinning at you..
Wat, no Volvo or Saab... I bet there will be cars that will be as a DLC (ofc..) that will cost a shitton too.
That's the problem. Why can't they just include the cars they took out, and DLC new cars to the series?
They've kept some brilliant cars in, but they definitely shouldn't have included so many muscle cars. They're included 3 versions of the same Trans-Am but there's no 2005 Golf GTi or 1992 Lancia Delta? It's unnecessary. Already preordered though, there's no doubt about me getting it.
The game has 200 cars, there all high quality they didn't reuse any of the models from the past forza games, Grand turismo has so many cars because they reuse cars from past games, Forza motorsport 5 went quality over quantity
Don't forget though that GT6 has about 100+ premium cars than forza 5 and the older models have all been updated and you can now add arts to all of them. They have also added interiors to quite a few standard models. Tessellation is also a massive advantage detail wise, however it remains to be seen.
I'm by no means a Forza fanboy and I enjoy both games, but... GT6 only has 100 more cars than Forza 5 because it already started with almost 200. If you list it purely per game, and only newly-modeled cars: Gran Turismo 5: around 200 detailed cars. Gran Turismo 6: 124 detailed cars. Forza 5: 200 detailed cars. None of them have been touched up, that's just a by-product of being in a much better graphics engine than GT4. Not a single standard model has had an interior added after the game's release. The closest thing to an interior is in the open-topped cars where you can see their steering wheel in cockpit camera - but those functional wheels were already in GT4, they're not new. The tessellation in GT6 isn't going to magically add detail, it's just a way of seamlessly transitioning between the higher-detail and lower-detail models of a car, otherwise known as their LODs. Tessellation isn't going to affect any standard cars; you can't add detail where there's none to be extracted, you have to make it yourself.
According to an article on GT planet they have upgraded a few of the standard models to premium and improved the standard models. Also why wouldn't you count the premium cars from gt5 in the gt6 total as I'm sure some of the forza5 cars are from forza 4. Article http://www.gtplanet.net/kazunori-yamauchi-on-gran-turismo-6-standardpremium-cars/ And yeah I get what you mean about the tessellation, however it should work well with the premium cars.
This game is the only reason i want an xbox one. The first game I picked up when I bought my xbox 360 was forza 2 and bought every forza since.
They're not from Forza 4, they're the same cars but they've been modelled from scratch. Also, the upgraded standards are counted within the 124 new cars.
Wow, what a piss-poor list of cars indeed.. 2012 Range Rover? Oh boy....finally...... I'm a die-hard Mazda fan. Specifically, the 1970-1992 lineup. And all I ever see in racing games are Mazda Miatas and RX-7/8s. I HATE Miatas, and I am not a big fan of rotaries. But that's all you get in racing games. I'm not surprised or anything, I'm sure it costs pennies to slap a Miata in Forza... Want to impress me, racing gave developer? Put a car I'm not expecting in the game.... 1978-92 Mazda 626 DX, LX, GT (4 door or 5 door hatchback, they also came from the factory with a turbo.. unlike the stupid Miata) 1988-1992 Mazda MX-6 DX, LX, GT (Most people haven't even heard of this car, I've owned two. They also came with a turbo option) 1988-1992 Mazda B2200 2WD or 4WD (Yes it's a truck. Like I said, impress me with something I don't expect) 1989-92 Ford Probe GT {Same chassis as the Mazda 626} (Turbo, ride control, trip computer, rear strut bar...all OEM) My Mazda bias aside, I'd like to see a lot more of old imports (70-90); Volvo, Saab, Mercedes, Audi, Isuzu, Volkswagen, Mitsubishi, Subaru.... I'm just too biased, I strongly dislike new cars (93+), and anything american. So that automatically turns me off of most racing games. The only consoles I have right now are 2 OG xboxs and a PS1. So I actually play Forza 1 a lot, great game. Forza 2 was also great, Forza 3 was good as well.
Ah yeah I see what you mean now. Also Forza acctually laser scan thier cars rather than model (as may GT6) As for the car list it just seems a like way to few especially for a next gen game, be prepared for a few 100 dlc car packs at like £10 each :/
I want Saab back in the game...I mean GM rammed Saab straight into the ground...absolute a**holes...sorry but I am being honest...
