Update Speculation thread

These would go great with the remaster

 

a lwb taxi? interesting
a wagon is necessary if it's a remaster

something like the one Narwhal made (may he rest in peace)
and also something like the Miramar Z as a coupe is nice

 

I think the devs need to lean more into the demo derby aspect. Think wreckfest 2 cars & AI brought over for example, so using the ui wheel we can toggle Derby Mode AI
& have a real smashfest with some iconic derby configs or even new car shells based on iconic popular banger racers.

 

Yeah, could be EUDM instead of USDM. I personally find the Miramar to be on the small side for an early-60s American car.

 

So Miramar is getting the Moonhawk treatment

 

I mean, the Toyota Corona (which the Miramar is heavily based off) was Toyota’s breakout success in America. I don’t think a USDM Miramar is far fetched.

 

Well they added a new drift config to the sunburst and then about two updates later removed it because they remastered the Sunburst. Pretty sure that brought some new stuff to the Sunburst as well.

 

Not only that, but check the orange Prince Skyline more closely: it's got a longer front end than the black Police one, with a longer dash-to-axle ratio, which indicates that it has (drum roll) the legendary Prince S54 2-liter Inline-6!

The 1.6 and 1.9 DOHC I4s are great engines for the Miramar but I think the 1.9 DOHC I4 could be replaced by an equally race-bred 2-liter DOHC I6. After all, during the era the Miramar was produced, small Inline-6s were the engines that helped Japan get better known to the sports car and race car fans and across the world in general! 2-liter I6s are really missing from the BeamNG lore and ETK can have one too for the I-Series!
But for the Miramar, the I6 shall come along with some proper street underpinnings: a non-racing 5-speed manual and, of course, a non-racing 4-link coil-sprung rear axle!
Not really sure whether the Miramar's front end should be lengthened to fit the I6 or not, but the I6 would certainly upgrade the Miramar driving experience!
Overall, I'm really glad the Miramar is getting remastered!

 

And it's not just the lack of new features that sets the older cars apart - it's the less-refined suspensions (or lack of coils, in some cases) that tend to make them a worse experience (and slower). Some of them are still great to drive, like the SBR4, but the '88 Pessima feels a bit more understeery than even the LeGran on comparable tyres. And it has slightly less grip than the '96 Pessima. The Burnside is particularly lacking, as it doesn't even get coils on the rear end, which means it gets dusted by the Moonhawk, Bluebuck, and Barstow (which all can get coils on the rear or have coils as standard).

There probably will be a derby update at some point, but it seems like the devs aren't doing too much with derby cars at the moment. We had a fair few derby cars added with the various remasters (and for the Wendover), but it seems like the devs aren't even bothering fixing the chase AI.

I think both the 1.9L DOHC L4 and a possible L6 could remain as options for the Miramar - I could see the lighter weight of the L4 being appealing to some people, especially if it gets some more power mods. It could be an engine swap from another Ibishu car (much like the 1.3L L4 in the Pigeon/Wigeon). The devs don't tend to remove engines from remastered cars - the Sunburst swapped engine types entirely, the Pigeon's L3 went from a diesel 660cc unit to a petrol 550cc example, and the T-Series's L6 went from 10.6L to 14.7L. Other than that, though, the other remastered vehicles have kept all their old engines around, albeit in tweaked form. I guess you could say that the Covet's blown L4 was removed, as well, although that was before its remaster.

Also, the Miramar has always had leaves on the back, even on its racing versions - it (and the Burnside) are the only two cars to only have leaf-sprung live rear axles. But yes, I'd absolutely love to have a coil-sprung live axle for the Miramar (or even IRS, although that probably won't happen). And we already have badges for the 2.0L L4 in the I-Series - I'm a bit surprised that engine hasn't already been added to the game.

 

I wonder what other bodystyles we could see

Those are probably JDM only

 

We can still see some of the low polycount in the meshes, so it's fair to say this will be a more minor refresh like some of the other recent vehicles.

But if I can speculate for a moment, the miramar has the unique opportunity to be converted into a proper body-on-frame pickup; Datsun's 320, 520 and 620 were based on the Bluebird 310, 410 and 610 sedans respectively, and Isuzu likewise converted the florian sedan into the KB Faster.


As @DriftinCovet1987 mentioned, double cab unibody pickups (or sedan utilities?) were also a thing at the time, there were also Multiple datsun double-cabs, and a few generations of Toyopet Masterline "double seat":


In the case of the Datsun 310/320 (from the same era as the miramar) it was even available as a body-on-frame utility pickup, a unibody coupe-ute, or a unibody sedan-ute!

 

What I'm kind of hoping for the Miramar is some old school Nissan Skyline based configurations, both factory and race versions. It's pretty obvious what the track version is inspired by if you look at them side by side, and it's also possible for some inline 6 engine options as well.


The base models, which are mostly inspired by the Corona could have several body styles, kind of like what the Bruckell Nine has, which could include a wagon, van, coupe, pickup and hatchback. There was this mod that basically added the coupe body with a more Skyline inspired front end and the inline 6 engine for the Miramar, although it's now outdated.
https://www.beamng.com/resources/ibishu-miramar-690-710-coupe-and-convertible.15441/

 

Some square lights in the style of Russian vehicle designs (EG: Ladas / yugos from the 70s-90s) would be very nice to have

 

TAZ?

 

I don't think it is a remaster, since the Miramar got freshly updated JBeam, new engine textures, new bumper parts and a rally config in v0.35. And the teaser just showed the front fascia of the car; when exterior appearance is changed, they don't do that.

 

Miramar coupe (skyline) may be possible

 

Official's always better.

 

communist cars my beloved

 

I agree with you. It'll mostly likely be a refresh (a remaster can happen who knows?). But even though it may not be a remaster, it could still get something new overall. The only thing I'm really interested in being added in the Miramar is a new coupe variant, more police and race configs, and a wagon variant that needs a Narwhal dedication here and there. I can't wait to see what the Miramar will have, but so far, I'm just waiting for the Bruckell Moonhawk to get a remaster.

 

It's not impossible, lore-wise. Many USSR satellite states maintained partnerships and licensing deals with companies in non-Warsaw Pact nations. Fiat had licensing partnerships with both Poland and Bulgaria, Renault (also) with Bulgaria, and Citroen partnered with the Romanian government. A partnership with a Japanese manufacturer would be unprecedented, due to rocky Japanese-Soviet relations (WWII still hasn't ended on paper, even today), and the fact that Japan was so heavily US-influenced well into the '60s, but shouldn't require bending history too hard.

But, yeah, it would be an easy way to get a foot in the door on a Soviet car, without having to justify making a dedicated vehicle without an associated map, or vice versa.