0.16 Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Nadeox1, May 3, 2019.

  1. Shelby 427

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    I think that goes with other vehicles too but I haven't done that in awhile
     
  2. 3DTunes

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    I tried the other off-road vehicles but I can't rip off the snorkels from the body to find out.
     
  3. Nadeox1

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    There's nothing in your log that can help us.
    No errors, no reference to a crash, it's just interrupting abruptly.


    As the message says, your UserFolder (Documents/BeamNG.drive folder) may be located inside a folder that some cloud service is using.
    For example if you have Windows 10, and have OneDrive enabled, your User/Documents folder becomes User/OneDrive, and anything inside it is in sync with the cloud service, including the BeamNG.drive UserFolder.
    It's recommended moving it away from those folders, as the continuous file sync those folders have can lock some files, causing problems to the game.

    Double-check where your UserFolder is from Launcher > Manage User Folder > Check bottom of Window or press the 'Open in Explorer' button.
    To move it elsewhere, use the 'Move User Folder' button. You may need to manually move your mods/settings/etc from the old location to the new one.
     
  4. PabloMM

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  5. Sithhy™

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  6. 3DTunes

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    Um, he is showing that you can drive through the house
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  7. PabloMM

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  8. Sithhy™

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    Ah... Somehow didn't notice that :p
     
  9. RacingRichardYTOfficial

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    Hey I just disabled OneDrive and now I can't open any of my games. What do I do?
     
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    i suppose that shouldn't be like that. I believe that this is not caused by any mods i have in use
     
  11. Betatester

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    I'm getting this when my default configuration tries to spawn. I'm having to set my license plate text for every level as a result.

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    Or, if that's too hard to read, then it says this (from BeamNG.log):

    135.69629|E|GELua.License Plate|getVehicleLicenseName() in main.lua is deprecated. Please use core_vehicles.getVehicleLicenseName() instead.
    141.31465|E|GELua.License Plate|setPlateText() in main.lua is deprecated. Please use core_vehicles.setPlateText() instead.
     
  12. btcb48

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    Broken record suggestion here, but the eSBR (and some others) could really use some form of non-defeatable brake-based virtual LSD (e.g. ABD or ADB-X or ADB-Sport) with no/minimal throttle reduction.

    Seems impossible to implement with 0.16's revised TCS logic. Had to switch to the old 0.15 lua, which doesn't work with the nice new debug graph.
    Mechanical LSDs = extra weight, complexity, and likely greater inertia and reduced mechanical efficiency.
    Not the optimal solution for the majority of normal driving conditions.

    Also, an odd and old minor bug, more so for newer vehicles like the ETKs and Hirochis;
    the relationship between power and top speed is still a little funky.

    Past a certain amount of power, like with the ttSport ETK 800 or equivalent K-Series, top speeds are oddly high compared to lesser versions.
    Could there be some resonance/instability problem with the certain components, say the suspension/tires/wheels, maybe at a certain input power/speed?

    Or maybe the rolling resistance of the tires are a bit too high at lower speeds?
    Tire pressure maybe?

    Had to "cheat" by increasing the drag coef of the higher end tires to compensate.
     
  13. default0.0player

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    Brake-based "vitural LSD" is actrually less efficient than true LSD.
    The reason is quite simple. If you have wheel spin, the LSD reduce the torque of the spinning wheel and add this amount of torque to the non-slipping wheel, without changing the engine power, increasing traction and power-to-wheel efficiency.
    Brake-based TCS+open differential brake the spinning wheel and does not add torque to the non-slipping wheel, you have to increase engine power by this amount to get the same wheel power as the true LSD in this situation
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    #693 default0.0player, Jun 15, 2019 at 7:54 AM
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  14. WhistlerXPWhistler7

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    What kinda LSD are we talking about?
     
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    I don't know how I failed to report this until now, but almost all of the new exhaust stacks clip through the cab guard on the dump box. I'd recommend changing the shape of the cab guard - or providing a second, wider Y-pipe that allows the stacks to sit out further from the center of the vehicle.
     
  16. btcb48

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    I'll reply here but this really should be in its own thread if you want to pursue this. I won't reply further to this matter in this thread after this post.

    AFAIK, the only mainstream electric vehicle using differentials and fitted with a limited slip mechanism a LSD is the (Fisker) Karma (Revero), whichever it's called now.

    (Edit: to clarify, Teslas, the Nissan Leaf, Chevy Bolt and most other Electrics/Hybrids use open differentials. Tesla was rumoured to be prototyping an optional LSD in the past but seems to have abandoned it. The new move for high performance electric cars is towards one-motor-per-wheel, which negates the need for any diff.)

    Tesla's recently introduced track mode uses a virtual LSD system. Wonder what the Porsche Taycan will use.

    This inefficiency you mentioned only applies to occasions when the system actually has to activate. Naturally, if single wheel spin is a frequent event due to the car's power/setup or the type of driver/driving conditions (e.g. low friction surfaces or spirited/high performance driving), a limited slip mechanism is preferred.

    As stated earlier, the mechanical components of a LSD will inherently add weight and some drivetrain inertia (and likely mechanical inefficiency depending on the mechanism) compared to an open differential. This applies to all driving, even commuting on a traffic laden highway.

    That, and the monetary cost of it, and the possibility of it clunking up during low speed manoeuvres, hence it being non-ideal to most commuters.

    A "true" virtual LSD system is merely an extension of TC systems that include brake intervention, and thus makes use of the same existing hardware as multi-channel ABS. Hardware wise, it's free if the existing brake system is sufficiently spec, and it's better than nothing.

    The only difference with it and TCS is the lack of, or minimisation of, throttle intervention. (Some older TC systems only use throttle cut, some others only use the brakes. Current day TC systems use both.)

    Most drivers will only need it in extreme situations like winter or mild off-roading, both of which are at low speed, because some conservative TCS (emphasising stability instead of traction) will too quickly cut power instead of prioritising the braking of the single spinning wheel.

    It should remain available as a last resort, or when one want to rip some sick donuts in a base-spec/rental BMW.

    Now I'm not saying mechanical LSDs are pointless, persistent virtual LSDs will:
    • kill brakes due to the heat, this is a frequent complaint with the previous gen of FF turbo-4 Fords and likely also contributes to the notable brake fade in Huracans and Aventadors. (edit addition: Off-road enthusiasts have a concern about this with regard to speedier low traction movement in mud and sand.)
    • "waste" energy in proportion to the amount of intervention involved.
    • likely apply themselves in non-smooth and unpredictable manner at elevated speeds, a common complaint with track driving when Mini first switched to it 10 years ago, and the supposedly more track ready versions of the BMW F22 5 years ago. (The M235i really should have had a mech LSD fitted as standard, or not have had the M designation, RIP ZHP. They are improving with the M-Diff in Gxx models though...)
    • (edit addition: virtual LSDs usually only activate with a certain accelerator pedal input, this can cause especially dramatic movement in the reverse (wrong) direction when doing slow forward off-road navigation on very uneven terrain compared to a locking diff)
    • (edit addition: And of course, disc brakes are pretty much fully exposed to mud/water/sand unlike diffs.)
    McLaren accepts the "downsides" of a virtual LSD because of their low weight emphasis and the existing powerful braking systems.

    Note that today, most high performance AWDs based on a RWD layout and/or featuring RWD biased torque split don't use mechanical LSDs at the front axle, including models from Porsche, Lamborghini, the Nissan GT-R, and the various full-on 4Matic AMGs and M-cars with xDrive.

    More and more manufacturers are fitting such "persistent" systems as standard to sporty-ish and/or rugged/AWD models, though the systems usually have maximum speed thresholds, like PSA's, Subaru's, and the recent CX models from Mazda.
    (Mazda does feel that there should instead be a total TCS off mode in the non-CX models.)

    I personally do think that a full-off mode should still be implemented in all cars, but in addition to the virtual LSD mode.

    (e.g. in a normal car with only 1 combined toggle switch for ESP and TCS, there would be ESP on, ESP-Sport, holding it for >10 sec for ESP off (but virtual LSD is activated), and some special semi-hidden procedure to turn off all ESP, TCS, and virtual LSD functions.)
     
    #696 btcb48, Jun 15, 2019 at 12:36 PM
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  17. default0.0player

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    Yep, I can confirm that the TCS in BeamNG only reduce throttle, it does not brake that spinning wheel. In both Regular and Sport mode.
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    Note the brake temp is the same.

    IRL it should reduce throttle and brake slipping wheel in regular mode, and only brake in sport mode. Now in beamNG both modes only reduce throttle and they don't brake any wheel.
     
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  18. RacingRichardYTOfficial

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    So i just reset my computer and it wiped literally everything. When it asked if i wanted onedrive, i clicked "save files to my pc only". Should that disable OneDrive on this pc?
     
  19. Sithhy™

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    Just uninstall it, will be gone for good :)
     
  20. WhistlerXPWhistler7

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    It wiped everything? is that a bad thing or not.. cause there is refreshing it that you could've done, or backups.. xd
     
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