WIP Beta released 2010-2015 Chevrolet Camaro | RS, SS, 1LE, Z28, ZL1 | Fifth Generation | **RELEASED!!!** | 6/02/2024

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  1. someguy5738

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    Alright, so, obviously with me being a huge FIA GT3 racing fan, I looked up the stats of the Reiter/Sareni Camaro GT3 and found these sources to be the most reliable, you can use these for basing your GT3 Camaro's stats off of @BaileyLSX5:

    Carsales - American Iron: Chevrolet Camaro GT3 - carsales.com.au Note: This article was written in 2015, when the GT3 Camaro supposedly got an upgrade to meet the 2015 GT3 regulations. Most things should probably be the same as the original 2012 version of the GT3 Camaro, but I suspect some things might have changed, and, as a result, may differ from the rest of these sources. You may have to acknowledge that if you decide to use this information, but that's fine.

    Racecarsdirect.com - Racecarsdirect.com - 650HP REITER Camaro GT3 Note: I can't exactly pinpoint when this car was actually put up for sale, but the transmission section does imply that it's from 2012, so I estimate that could be the earliest possible date of this information.

    Edit: Ok so finally got home, checked out the last website I wanted to check out, but unfortunately it revealed nothing. The website was CSR Racing wiki, I thought the devs would put the actual gear ratios from the actual thing in-game - ESPECIALLY since it's a drag-racing focused game - but it seems either the devs actually didn't put the real-life gear ratios in or the players haven't documented it yet. :(
     
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  2. SamKJ3455

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    instead of thinking im assuming do better common sense to tell you that you shouldnt think the mod is bad
     
  3. LegThePeg

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    Do you think you could try to clarify that?
     
  4. Louie's Workshop

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    I'd pay for Grindr before I'd pay for this seeing the quality that it is right now, and I'm straight!
     
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  5. CarBob1215

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    This thing was early access for at least two years. But anyways I love Camaros!
     
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  6. gogglesgaming

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    well damn, I can say that this thing rips around the track. Got the z28 and put the bigger lip spoiler in it with the ls3 and a cam, thing is a machine on track. Plus the sound is a chefs kiss
     
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  7. JoshD

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    Wow, just...wow. The sheer gall you have to accept that much money from people & put out something so absurdly relatively poor in quality is rather astounding.

    Yes, I've read your replies to others complains & know exactly how you feel about them (complaints), but what you've done here is rather absurd & I personally think you owe the community an apology. The amount of time you've made people wait & the amount of money collected would give the community certain expectations about the quality of the mod & let's face it, it would not qualify to meet those expectations.
     
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  8. someguy5738

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    Well, he did say a few posts back that he was good at the engines and models, not really on JBeam (aka crash quality), or suspension tuning (aka handling), or... Well, I don't really know what else is an important factor in making a good mod. The bugginess is because it's unfinished, he's still working on it, but at least we have something to play around with instead of waiting another decade for it to be fully released. If you don't like some bits/bugs then feel free to help him out.

    I also addressed the paid early access problem with him earlier in this thread. I'd quote it here but I'm too lazy at the moment, I just had a tiring day of school.
     
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  9. Nezzo

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    I don't mean to sound like an asshole but this is how you get people to hate you. They gave you criticism and you did nothing about it except make excuses and say "Oh hurr durr keyboard warriors". Please take this as actual criticism and use the stuff people pointed out in your mod to improve it.
     
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  10. someguy5738

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    To be fair, they didn't have to be an ass about it while they gave the criticism.
     
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  11. BlueLife

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    As LegThePeg said. Clarify what you mean by that. I've tested the mod, it's good in some parts and bad in some, it's a 60/40 in good and bad. It's just below average but other than that, the mod is good. 7/10. Also I've had a very wild week, Just please let me rest and not stir up more drama that's unneeded.
     
  12. CarBob1215

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    Best Racecar
     
  13. BaileyLSX5

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    Thanks Man!
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    Thank you for clarifying!
     
  14. Sparks4

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    I find it hilarious that the DFA author got banned, but this guy is being allowed to do this shit. A few months back, I personally bought his Patreon to try the mod, and it immediately ended when I saw how toxic his Discord community was and the quality of this mod. (It's funny how the mod hasn't changed since then in a reputable way; I can't speak for his discord as I GTFO'd) Excuses for mental health, excuses for family, excuses for work - guess what, bud, I deal with similar issues; I work 11-hour shifts a day, and I still get shit done. The least you could've done was discontinue your Patreon if you're not going to be doing anything or actively working on what you're being paid for. But no, you'll emotionally manipulate others with excuses and take advantage of the situation. Multi-hundred a month, and you still have copied and pasted bastion/etk parts. Oh, and the DFA pack is broken - and he took down his Patreon page because of that fact until it is fixed. This guy? lmaoooooooooooooooooo, enough said.

    LucasBE, lj74, Szanto_sz, Nekkit, Theo - those developers who SCRATCH MAKE EVERYTHING and hardly charge what they're worth. Patreon monthly subscriptions? You're paying 4-5x a month for a mod that has ripped parts from vanilla vehicles VS some people who actually know what the fuck they're doing, and they charge DOLLARS for it, ONE TIME.

    Theo's mod, the CCF is completely free, and I gladly donated $20 or $50, because HE DESERVED IT. That mod was made from scratch - custom jbeam, no copied-over parts. Then you have this.

    Need I go on?

    BeamNG and the team behind is going down the hill. I hate to see it, but it's what's happening.

    inb4 the mods of the forum deletes this message, and doesn't ban a fraudulent "mod" developer. Prove me wrong BeamNG GmbH. istg
     
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  15. BaileyLSX5

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    Ok.
     
  16. Ovahlls

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    BaileyLSX5 try not to be the biggest loser on BeamNG challenge: impossible


    Essentially you're saying that everyone's criticism is completely invalid just because you don't like it. This is why the people who actually have the mod say it's shit, and why it doesn't even do well when it's leaked on third party platforms. You don't listen to criticism, you just scream "toxic" when you're the dude who's been taking money from people for almost 3 years now.
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    Why would you pay for it? There's like 5 different sites where this is available for free. Don't support a basement dweller making meshslaps. He probably spends all that money on onlyfans, not funding the creation of the mod. It's shit. Buy something worth your time.
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    "Ok" So, no response to any of that, then? You're just gonna pretend like he didn't make several valid points? I know most of the people who're gonna pay for the mod aren't gonna read any of that but damn you're supposed to be the salesman for your own mod and you couldn't even be bothered to provide a counter argument as to why this is a paid mod when all of us know it's complete and utter garbage.
     
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  17. julianr456

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    even though its free now i feel bad for the people who paid for it mainly because the author wasn't actually working on it, if your going to make a mod paid early access and not do anything, what's the point of even making a patreon for it then. let alone your basically ripping people off for something that's not even worth it for the money

    now i have tested this mod myself, and for being a wip beta, its not the worst, but not the best, i will give the author credit for somewhat putting effort into this, maybe fix the engine sounds though.....
     
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  18. Drivesafe4

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    Keep scamming these idiots. They deserve everything coming to them.
     
  19. Cookiehead

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    I didn't pay for it, I got it from the recent free release that was posted here by the mod creator
     
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  20. Ovahlls

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    Good boy.
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    In a sense, yes that is fraud, but as far as I'm aware it's in a gray area because this is a relatively new "industry." If, for example, you contracted someone to build you a house and paid for every month they worked on it, and they just for some reason went 8 months without doing any work, you could absolutely sue them into oblivion for spending 8 months twiddling their dick. But because it's Patreon, you're paying more to support the author as opposed to directly commissioning or contracting work, so this would fall into another category entirely. I'm sure a really good lawyer could argue the posts are a written contract or whatever and by purchasing the Patreon he's making an agreement with each user he will spend each month they're subscribed working on the mod, or at least have some expectation to take the mod seriously, but I really have no idea how that would work or go down in court as a layperson. I'm no legal expert but technically yes if this was a common thing it would probably be fraud but I am sure it hasn't made it's way into laws yet, here in the US at least. I am going to ask my lawyer now, though, just for the hell of it, even if nobody here plans on pursuing any legal action.

    Edit: So I asked my lawyer and the most solid case would be a class action lawsuit on the grounds of failure to deliver the promised final product within a reasonable time, essentially. The amount of money lost per person is so little, that everyone who paid for a subscription would need to collectively enter a lawsuit against him, which, best outcome would be everyone is refunded and/or "damages" are paid to the participating parties. Realistically, though, according to him, this probably would not happen unless there were way more subscribers and way more money lost, and a time frame was actually set by the author of the mod for when he planned on delivering the product. So, yea, it's "fraud", it's bad, but legally speaking not much can be done and not much will be done. Here in the US at least.

    I think the bigger concern would be, at least from the perspective of the author, though, would be using another brand's IP without permission, which can be a huuuuge mistake especially if you look at what happened regarding the Ferrari mods and stuff like that. I know people who've gotten into trouble regarding intellectual property who've lost basically everything because of it, big companies don't play around.
     
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