WIP '61-'71 Stirling S6 [PAID]

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  1. bussin.buses

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    What's wrong with having it as an option?
     
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  2. Musicman27

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    AI has its place. That place is not for idiots who will sell overpriced crap though.
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    (No, this is not about paid mods)
     
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  3. Lordlichi2006

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    Training data is non consented, especially for ai image generation, so people consider it as stealing from others ( since the data is stolen, the result generated is also stolen and by proxy you are stealing) tho i do believe it has its place for sketching out ideas.
     
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  4. Musicman27

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    So basically it's being crapped on for doing the same thing we do for ideas?
     
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  5. paulnewman

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    Nothing wrong per se. Just an opinion. Solid axle in performance cars was certainly a sign of a time in 60s. Even the machinery that was considered very advanced for that time still used that solution whether it was alfa, ferrari or jaguar.

    I feel like irs would spoil its charm a little bit. It’s a bit like that 20s car that beam devs have cooking. I don’t want it to be smooth fast and handle great for today’s standards. I’d rather work around it’s period correct quirks.

    Edit: I just remembered 300 sl had technically irs but from what i gather it was actually worse than your typical solid axle.
     
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  6. Lordlichi2006

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    it has irs tho
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    what same thing do we do?
     
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  7. catchow1977

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    I think he meant taking inspiration from things which in a way i kind of agree with but not exactly
    but anyway ai is here and we cannot stop it
     
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  8. paulnewman

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    Fair enough. I was talking out of my ass then.
    Still having two different suspension types in the same model at the same time would be unusual I guess.
     
  9. Lordlichi2006

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    yeah but its a beam mod, a bit of unrealism so that you get more content or options to play with is fine tradeoff
     
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  10. Musicman27

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    Yes, that is what I meant.
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    Speaking of AI, I saw a movie called "ATLAS" on Netflix. It was about AI and I thought it was pretty good.
     
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  11. Ayoub Mahjoub

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    hey lj just a suggestions could you do a race car variant heres some images
     
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  12. LJ74

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    There won't be an irs option

    I get that. OpenAI are slowly working on it like the media manager tool, and personally I don't care if mine gets used because I don't see it as that much different from any person screenshotting it for whatever use, but yeah I see why it's an issue
     
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  13. M D Gourley

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    I only do screenshots for personal use and something different for that creative itch:p...and let others see Modders awesome content, such as yours.

    However, converting 2D images such as screenshots into a 3D models is a real thing and a concern if used for dishonest means.
     
  14. Max.Morse

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    Huh? You like having fewer customization options and cars that handle poorly?
     
  15. LJ74

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    Some people just prefer live axle, like myself. I don't think more customization would matter if you wont use it
     
  16. Max.Morse

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    Oof, that's too bad. Honestly a little disappointed since your mods usually have plentiful customization and unique mechanical features.
    Also, IRS would not be unrealistic; the E-Type had a rather unusual setup similar to a MacPherson strut with inboard brakes, the 300SL had swing arms, 1960s TVRs had either Beetle swing arms or double wishbones, and the Lotus Elan and Europa used Chapman struts.
    Maybe somebody will mod in a subframe swap from a vanilla car - the LeGran's monoleaf might be interesting, could also use a more traditional setup from the Bolide or 200BX.
     
  17. paulnewman

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    Yeah, I do personally prefer fewer customization options if that means them beeing more grounded and cohesive (as I stated before having two suspension types at the same time would be unusual for that period).
    As for the solid axle I don't think it equated to poor handling at that time. Whether you talk ferrari 250s or alfa 105s they are among the most celebrated racing cars despite having solid axle. They are considered great to drive while still retaining some idiosyncrasies like cornering fully on 3 wheels in case of old giulias. What's more I feel like the early irs setups are the ones that made the history as the more unpredictable ones. Just look at the 300 sl's reputation. They still probably didn't have a full understanding of suspension geometry at that time.
    Also kind of ironic how you have a first gen mustang in your profile pic while slaging solid axles for poor handling. I reckon you must find that design charming in some way.
     
  18. Max.Morse

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    TVRs from that era could have either Beetle suspension or double wishbones. The Sterling has 2 generations, 2 powertrains, and 3 bodystyles; it would make some sense for the suspension to be different. Or you could just have it be a restomod subframe swap.
    The technology obviously wasn't as advanced then, but they had a fairly good understanding of what made a suspension setup effective; double wishbone setups had been in use since the 1930s, MacPherson struts, Chapman struts, trailing arms, and transverse leaf springs were all options as well. The main reason double wishbones weren't used in every sports car was cost; packaging concerns also played a major role. Mercedes famously was having financial struggles when the 300 SL was in development and had to use the existing suspension from the W186, but the car still handled pretty well for the era, and the roadster model mostly fixed the stability issues by moving the pivot point of the swing arms.
    You got me there. It was my favorite car as a kid; I still think it's beautiful, but a high-performance vehicle it is not. Ironically the SN95 Mustang is probably the best-known example of a car available with either a live axle or independent rear suspension.
     
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  19. DoritoPowahhhh

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    Its RWD, you'll only loose your tail and have your back smash against a tree before dying
     
  20. nuclear pillow

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    i need it
     
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