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Autobello Stambecco

Discussion in 'Official Content' started by ferrettank, Dec 13, 2022.

  1. STEVIE_G4M1NG_YT

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    Whoever has to work on the engine with no room :p
     
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  2. bussin.buses

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    I wish there was a retro Dakar rally version, because the Team Off-Road version is a modern rally truck. I’m talking about something like the Volvo C303 Paris-Dakar truck.
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  3. TDK

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    Thanks for the feedback, I'll pass that on to @sebaudio
     
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    You're very welcome sir! Yay!! ;);)
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    I only see the smallest V8s to fit in there. That's the Gavril 4.5/291ci V8s. But then again, it's a very small possibility that they actually fit in there.
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    Even the air-cooled 2.6 has got no problem on Hi range, I believe. The transmission already has quite low gearing for making the life of the engine easier.
     
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  5. Warning605

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    Just having a bit of trouble with the fire truck variant of the vehicle, it launches and then stops abruptly about a foot away and then does it again. I have tried it on different surfaces, such as sand, road and gravel and on flat and sloped roads. I have not found this issue with any other variant.
     
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    While you are on it, I feel like there should be an indicator sound as well
     
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  7. bussin.buses

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    I feel like the sound should be like *chik chok* or something
     
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  8. McBeamer94

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    Yeah, the fuses should sound louder too!
     
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  9. DriftinCovet1987

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    First off, I'd like to say that population data does not mean that that many exist in the world - it's just how common they are in traffic.

    So, I was going through the "info" files for the new vehicles, looking at the population data, and this thing is really rare on the road for some reason. All 20 versions of this vehicle have a Population stat of 50, meaning that it has a total population of 1,000. This is barely over the Wigeon's population (982), while being lower than the Pigeon's (1,558) and quite a lot lower than the Picco's (3,611 including the Piccobuggy (30)). I suppose that, being a military truck, a lot of Beccos would've been scrapped, trashed, or parted out over the years, so I guess it makes sense that it's so rare.

    The L-TRV Marauder only has about 600 units in the population stat, and that's a newer truck that would've likely been more common compared to the Becco. Granted, the Becco is far more common than the Wydra, the new least-common vehicle in traffic (50, with two configurations (Zebra Tours and Custom) not getting any population data). And, of course, it's infinitely more common than the SPs, which didn't get any population data at all. I suppose that's because they're non-road-legal.

    In case you're wondering the order of which vehicle is most common and least common, here's the list. (Some vehicle trims don't have population stats, so I just slap a 1 in there where there is no population stat - there has to be at least one of that trim or vehicle for it to exist. So, the total count's going to be a teensy bit high, but only by like, 50 vehicles or so.)

    D-Series: 283,101

    H-Series: 195,430

    FCV: 170,133

    Roamer:
    166,800

    800 Series: 97,071

    Bastion: 81,664

    '96 Pessima: 70,296

    Covet: 63,593

    LeGran: 48,250

    Sunburst: 47,665

    Grand Marshal: 46,185

    Hopper: 39,980

    200BX: 39,965

    I-Series: 38,409

    '88 Pessima: 34,332

    K-Series: 32,531

    T-Series: 30,902

    Wendover: 29,710

    Moonhawk: 23,330

    SBR: 19,860

    Bluebuck: 11,246

    Barstow: 10,835

    DT40L: 6,922

    Scintilla: 4,540

    Bolide: 3,703

    Miramar: 2,740

    Burnside: 2,350

    Pigeon: 1,558

    Stambecco: 1,000

    Wigeon: 982

    Wydra: 52

    Dunekicker: 3

    Rockbasher: 3

    Total: 1,608,832

    Average: 47,318
     
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  10. TDK

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    Seb advises me that the sound config for these things has not be done properly yet.
     
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  11. ARES IV

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    A short video of the real life Pinzgauer drivetrain that is very similar to the Stambeccos one:

     
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  12. NaNe

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    Im sorry if it was mentioned before(i couldnt be bothered too look in the thread a lot cuz im on my backup phone which is broken),but I personally think the Stambecco is kinda missing some kind of possibility of carrying a load like the D series,H series etc...
    And i personally would like some kind of a camping version. Seeing the Campa name in the vehicle selector menu made me think: OH FINALLY A SOME KIND OF RV but nah,other than this i very enjoy the Stambecco,especially slowly driving over cars.Cheers
     
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  13. Ai'Torror

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    Actually.. Population stuff works a bit different. Its purely for traffic purposes If I remember correctly anything that's not a police car with population below or equal 50 will not get picked to use in traffic, that doesn't include police cars, those still will spawn. Population data doesn't add up either way it works is: first it picks the model of the car, way that works is takes the highest population number from all configs and takes that as probability and then if that model ends up being selected for spawning it picks the variant using same probability system just based on per-config population
     
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    That is kinda overcomplicated but good to have an explanation finally
     
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  15. DriftinCovet1987

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    Ah, that makes sense. Thank you very much for this explanation!

    If vehicles with populations below 50 don't get picked in traffic, may I ask why the Dunekicker and Rockbasher (and quite a few configs of the other vehicles) don't have population data? Seems a bit confusing to me that those two vehicles just seem to be lacking in a whole lot of data - population, values, years (for the Rockbasher), among others. The Wydra also suffers from this issue - it doesn't have any model years at all.
     
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  16. Ai'Torror

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    it just wasn't filled in for them simple as that :D they're not road legal anyways
     
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  17. DriftinCovet1987

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    That's exactly what I thought, but I just wanted to make sure. Thank you so much for answering a long-held question of mine!
     
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  18. Cutlass

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    I believe the Stambecco is the only vehicle with a key in the ignition, hopefully this gets added to more vehicles in the future
     
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  19. ARES IV

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    Stupid mod idea: Vivace Engines as swap in. :cool:

    What?:rolleyes: The 1.2L Inline 3 has still more power output than the factory 2.6 L Inline 6 :p. And better torque development ;).



    On a more serious note, the inline 6 petrol engine performance feel is really hit hard by multiple negative factors:

    • Low peak RPM of only 4500 RPM. You get the rev range of a diesel but without the torque of one.
    • The 5-speed manual while certainly a reasonable choice for a vehicle with this purpose adds relative long shift times.
    • They very high drivetrain loss of this impressive 4X4 / 6X6 means that you will bleed a lot of speed in the time it takes to shift.
    • The 5-speed manual has prettty large jumps in RPM between the gears will only 5th gear being somewhat more moderated.

    So what happens under load is

    • Engine reaches 4500 RPM as power delivery is finally reasonably good.
    • So you shift up
    • While the shift takes place, you loose several kilometers of speed due to drivetrain losses and heavy terrain.
    • Once you are in the higher gear, you loose at least 2000 RPM of engine speed. Actually more because of the above.
    • So now the engine just might not be capable of generating enough power to maintain speed, let alone accelerating.
    • So you shift down again
    • Lose more speed in drivetrain and terrain
    • Back in lower gear, the engine regains its strenght due to higher RPM and you hit the rev limiter within seconds :p

    For better times with the stock petrol engine, you really only should upshift when you are certain that the engine at the greatly reduced RPM can still accelerate away. Otherwise it may be more beneficial to stay in lower gear at the limiter as you may lose some theoretical top speed but you avoid the loss of the shifting times.


    • Increasing RPM limit is highly recommended. Not because the engine develops this much more power between 4500 and 5000 RPM... but because shifting at 5000 instead of 4500 means you will have 500 more RPM in next gear too... where you will sorely need them.
    • I havent had time to test it yet, but I have the gut feeling that an automatic transmission could actually be beneficial for performance as you greatly reduce the power sapping shift times.

      https://www.beamng.com/resources/5at-cvt-for-stambecco.24771/

      CVT will probably beat anything as it will allow the engine to reach peak power even in heavy terrain.

    • More gears would also certainly help as you would not fall into a bottomless RPM pit everytime you shift.

    The stock diesel engine suffers similar issues, but its higher torque output make it better capable of laboring at relative low RPM. It also often has just the few HP more that are required to accelerate under heavy load.

    Its also developers peak power at lower RPM, meaning that for at least a time, the engine gets more powerful as the vehicle slows down.



    The stock petrol engine is still a good fit for the Stambeccos design philosophy of stubbornly carrying on no matter what. Being air cooled make it nigh invulnerable to even hard frontal crashes and brutal rollovers and it is so generously overengineered for reliability (at some cost to power output I presume:p) that even the most gruesome hillclimb in the blistering desert sun is not enough to overheat it.


    The Stambecco isnt very fast. But it is very hard to stop. There are very few things that can stop it for good. Slow and steady it goes on and on and on. ;)
     
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  20. gigisfan

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    Seeing that the problem is felt I post a bigger displacement petrol engine I did for personal use. There is also a limiter 500 rpm over the standard and a "torque" carburator. Not a Ferrari but helps a bit.
     

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