BeamNG Realistic Community Lore Project.

oh i thought you meant+

 

bruh

 

putting this here instead of in the piccolina's thread to avoid spam

I'd guess that it's some kind of mix between VW and Autobianchi, with a bit of fiat thrown in. probably starting with the piccolina, maybe a smaller fiat 500/bianchina sized car, and possibly a van version. I'd expect that at some point, the rear engined cars would be replaced by more typicallly laid out cars, either FR, like fiat's 124, or FF like VW's golf/jetta/polo (which they got from audi, ao autobello would likely have to buy some other company at this time)

 

I was thinking that they would buy civetta.
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what about a midsized RWD car platform for bruckel/soliad?

Bruckell moonhawk- coupe
Bruckell hunter- sedan/wagon
Soliad hammerhead- ute
Soliad Dusk- wagon/cross

 

Bruckell Group- owns Bruckell, soliad (premium/sporty), Kraken (heavy industries and military), and Bistar (austrailia/europe).
Gavril/Autobello- owns burnside (died in 80s, midlevel luxo), Keplar (youth/commpacts), autobello, Civetta (owned by autobello), and Gravel (europe/austrailia).
ETK auto- owns Grattata (Smart Fourtwo like cars), ETK, and Leyho (rolls royce).
Ibisu- sells many different cars, all over asia (and in the US), all under one brand. Most cars sold of any other car company (mostly due to the 1948-2005 Ibisu Standard 108). Sells motorbikes and the like under the Pigeon brand.
Hirochi- Makes supercars, pianos, and japanese cars.

I was thinking the sunburst would be an apearence package on a celica/carina/510 style car (Zen).

I was thinking the sporty "1RS" family would consist of SR4 (Spider Rear engine f4), SBR4 (Shooting Brake Rear engine f4), and RR8 (Racecar Rear engine f8). SBR4 1300-2 (-2 for 2bbl), SBR4 S 1800-4, SBR4 RS TT1800-4, and SBR4 specR TT2000i Group 4. Then the LeMans winning RR8 LM TT3500i. SR4 360-1, SR4 S 550-1, SR4 RS 1300-2.

The 1RS platform would be based off of the 1R platform. The 1st 1R car would be the 50s Hirochi R360 (your drawing said 360R), and later in the 60s the R360 Tiare and R550 Tiare. Then in the 70s they would change to front engine with the Zen and smaller Tiare. The only 70s rear engine cars would be the SR4 S, SR4 RS, SBR4 range, and RR8. In the 80s the Tiare would become smaller, and the Zen would be renamed Sunburst (after the red and yellow apearence package) in '87.

1947- R350 (cancled in 1951, replaced with larger displacement R360c)
1954- R360c (canceled in 1960, replaced by R360 Tiare)
1961- R360 Tiare and SR4 360-1 (R360 dead in 70, SR4 360-1 in 73)
1963- R550 Tiare and SR4 S 550-1 (R550 dead in 1972, SR4 550-1 in 78)
1964 1/2- SBR4 1300-2, SBR4 S 1800-4, SR4 RS 1300-2 (SR4 RS renamed SR4 1300-4 in 78, all died in 81 after a few updates, replaced with the 2RS cars)
1966- SBR4 RS TT1800-4 (died in 81, replaced with 2RS cars)
1966- RR8 TT3500i (won until 1970, died in 72)
1970- SBR4 specR TT2000i group 4 (died in 81, replaced with the 2RS cars)

 

Gavril doesn't sell vehicles in the US, and they've become the FCA of the beam world? That's an... interesting take.

I find it unlikely that ibishu would sell their bikes under the "pigeon" nameplate, and that they wouldn't have some sort of luxury subsidiary.

 

I meant that Gavril would be their american name, and Gravel would be for europe/austrailia.

Pigeon Eagle R (sport bike)? Pigeon trike (3 year old's trike)? Pigeon Coupe (smart fortwo)? Pigeon ute (3 wheel pickup)?

 

Of all words in the world...

But... why?

 

Okay maybe not the pigeon trike

 

It still doesn't make any sense.

 

Okay then no pigeon sub brand. I Actually prefer Captian Zoll's drawing better than my pigeon Idea.

Captain Zoll are you going to do any others? I'm sure I could do the american ones but I'm a stranger to the classic BMWs and Mercs (I know a bit about the 60s rear engine VWs), so I was wondering if you could do one for ETK. I think I could also do Autobello.
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Bistar AU-

1945- The original Bistar C, sedan, or ute
1952- The C is updated to become the L, and panel van and wagon bodystyles were added
1961- The E model is introduced, with 50s styling, as a compact sedan or wagon.
1963- A new midsized fastback/convertible/sedan is introduced, called the Collide. Also, a line of heavy duty trucks is launched, based off of the american Kraken trucks. The L is updated with more 60s styling
1965- Another compact is introduced, slightly larger than the E, to battle the Gravel Stallion. It was named the Commet.
1966- The Collide gets a performance variant called the SR, only available as a fastback or convertible. It comes with either a 301 or 360 cubic inch V8. The Commet also gets a performance variant called the Comment S. It comes with either 288 or 301 cubic inch V8.
1969- The E is updated with more normal styling, only available as wagon. A sedan version of the Collide SR is released, called the Collide SR GTX. It is equiped with a 330cui V8. Also, a new ultra-performance version ead of the Collide called the Collide SR GTS. It gets stiffer springs, a 378cui 370hp V8, a front and rear spoiler, and side pipes.
1971- all models are facelifted
1974- All engines are facelifted. A new race spec Collide is introduced, with a 425 from the L, 390hp, insane weight reduction, and race independent rear suspension. This monstrosity is the Collide GTSR Cup U425. A race spec E model is introduced, the E2 GTR U288, with a fuel injected 288, weight reduction, and much stiffer springs.
1982- all models are facelifted, except Collide
1983- Collide facelifted. The SR is now a seperate model from the Collide, which gets a GT301 trim to replace the SR trim. The SRs models are SR, SR GTX, SR GTS, and SR GTSR Cup U360.
1986- all models are facelifted.
1992- The SR is now a sort of ponycar, but is available as a sedan. The Collide is canceled, and replaced with the FWD S model. The Commet and E model are now FWD. The L gets a new performance model, the GT360.
2002- All models are facelifted.
2009- The Commet, E, and L are discontinued. They are replaced with rebadged bruckells. The replacements have the same names as thier american brothers, but with Bistar instead of Bruckell.
2013- all models are facelifted. The SR now has this trim lineup- SR (490hp), SR S (510hp), SR GTX AWD (510hp), GTS (600hp), and GTSR Cup U378 (660hp).
2017- The Bistar Brunch is replaced with the RWD Bistar L model. The Bistar LeGran XL is replaced with the Bistar S model. The Bistar LeGran is replaced with the Bistar Commet. The Bistar Speed is replaced with the Bistar E model. All SR models get a 15hp boost.
2020- A new detuned version of the SR is released, the Collide.

 

yeet

 

Hirochi Motors part one

John "Whiten" Manson was an american man who had (before WW2) worked both as a market analasist, and an automotive designer. He had learned to speak japanese when he was very young. While working in the war, he noticed something quite interestin. He had seen how automobiles were becoming increasingly popular. He new that there popularity could continue to rise after the war. He new that not all automobile manufacturers would survive. So, he created a plan to take advantage of a new market space.

He was being shiped to california, to do work on a military vehicle (because of his heavy duty truck design background), and he got a man (who was more talented than him at engineering) to impose as him. Then, he sneaked onto a boat to Japan.

He somehow got to Japan alive, and navagated to his freind's house in the countryside. His freind's name was Haru Hirochi. He was a freind of the whole Hirochi family, and the ones he knew well were all doing something for the war (Except old Kokora and Asahi, who were to old to work in the war). Haru owned a japanese manufacturing company, which was doing VERY badly. His younger brothers Hiroto and Sana were skilled engineers. About 4 days after John's arival, late at night, John, Haru, Sana, Hiroto, and their father Souta discussed the plan.

The plan was that Sana and Hiroto would start working on a profitable car design, and it would be produced by Haru's company. John would command a team that would convert the cars to LHD, and sell them to america.They decided that the company would be called Hirochi.

The car ended up looking something like this-



It was the Hirochi R350, named after the rear engine layout and "AS1" 350cc engine. It was available as a 5 seat coupe or 2 seat panel van. It was released in 1947, and sold very well in many parts of asia. It did not sell so well in america, but John's team had figured out such good ideas for converting them, Souta (who was president at the time) decided that he would move the team to other jobs at other LHD countries (1948). After that decision was made, Hirochi withdrew from the american market. John was at this point very good at buisness, and in 1949 became president (2 years later Souta retired).

In 1950 John decided that it was time to update the R350, and assembled a group of engineers (Sana and Hiroto were both on more dificult projects) to create the facelift. The end product was revealed to the public as the R360c, in 1954. The R350 was designed specifically to be cheap to produce, even though it was a good vehicle. The R360c was better in every way, including value and even (as we found out later) reliability. "You get more for the money when you buy the new hirochi." -Gregory Mattix. The new R360c was now powered by a 360cc flat four (AS2), instead of the old 350cc motor.

In 1957, many of the Hirochi's were killed, leaving only Haru, Sana, Hiroto, their mother, and some more extended family members in the Hirochi family. In 1958, the Hirochi family no longer owned the company, and tried to withdraw from the company. Haru stepped down from his position, and Hiroto opened a design school, hoping that someone would come out and be good enough to replace him. Sana continued working with the company until1989 (at age 67).

In 1961 Hirochi released 3 new vehicles. The R360 Tiare was the "replacement" for the R360c. It used an updated flat four (AS2b). The SR4 360-1 was a sporty 2 seat roadster based off of the R360 tiare, using the same engine, chassis, and transmision. The SW was a heavy duty truck that dominated the market, stealing lunch from the Ibisu T5000. It was powered by an ETK deisel. It continued to be updated until 2003. In 1963, 2 new cars were added to the line. A more premium option for the R360 Tiare, the 550cc (AS3) R550 Tiare was launched. The same happened with the release of the SR4 S 550-1. In 1965, an (AS4) 1300cc option was introduced for the SR4 (SR4 RS 1300-2). Also, a new high-end sports car, the SBR4 was released. It was intended for the Amereican market. The only model was the SBR4 1300-2.

In 1966, Hirochi created a new family of engines. This family was called the AL family because the engines would be of larger displacement than the AS engines. The first AL was the 1800cc AL18. It was put in the new SBR4 S 1800-2. Also in 1966, Hirochi started racing RR8s, 3500cc turbocharged fuel injected flat 8 cars. They had fiberglass bodies, and the engine was moved back so that 3/4 of it was over the rear axle, though they werre still rear engine. They won the 1966 24 hours of LeMans. In 1967, John no longer owned Hirochi. Hirochi was now owned by Ilien motors, a british/american performance brand. In 1969, the SBR4 got the latest engine tech, in a new model. The SBR4 RS T1300-4 (AS4t). 4bbl carb, turbo, and one heck of a lot of power. The new RS was lighter, and had much stiffer springs. It could hang with real supercars, considering it was half the weight of most of them.

The next year, the R360 and R550 Tiares were replaced with the 570cc i4 front engine Tiare 3 door. A larger sedan/coupe called the Zen was released to the public, to compete with the Ibisu Miramar. Because the AS platform was only needed for the SR4, the 1300cc AS4 was replaced with the AL13. But that was not all. In 1973, Hirochi released the ultimate SBR4. This "Spec R" model had a twinturbocharged, fuel injection, 2000cc (AL20t) flat four, making nearly 490hp. It had a massive wing, and it weighed even less than the RS. They raced this beast all over the world. The race cars had over 500hp, which was truely insane at the time. The Hirochi racing team still had a few more tricks up their sleeves. In 1974, they built a few modified RSs, with race spec fuel injected AL20s, which made nearly 150hp. They were intended for rallying, but they didn't survive the whole group 4 championship. Also in 1974, the 360cc and 550cc versions of the SR4 were canceled, and the AS family of motors was done for. Because there were no other trims, the SR4 RS 1300-2 was no longer an RS.

In 1975, hirochi was no longer owned by Ilien. They were on their own.

The trims for the Zen were- Base 1.5 (i4), S 1.7 (i4), Base 1.8 (i4), Base 2.0d (i6), S 2.2 (i4), RS 2.5i (i6), spec R 2.4ti (i6), and Zeitaku 2.2 (i4). Their was a red, orange and/or yellow apearence package called the Sunburst package available on all but the RS, spec R, and Zeitaku models. People guessed that the S, RS, and spec R versions of the Zen and Tiare would replace the SR4 and SBR4. The SR4 was canceled in 1976, but the SBR4 has continued to be produced to this day. In 1974 the SBR4 was facelifted, and in 1980 the 2nd generation was released (the 1979 model was very similar to the original, just changed on the outside). The gen 2 SBR4 spec R TT2000i group b won the world rally championship every year from 1983-1992. In 1985, the Zen was replaced with the Sunburst, and the Shibikku, a large sedan, was released.

You guys write the rest
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add an entry level i6/i4 AC ace sort of model, and then a 291/353/423 "Gavril Vendetta" sort of like a Shelby Cobra.

 

The original 1973 SBR4 spec R TT2000i had around 400 gross hp, not 490. My mistake.

 

400 is still heaps, the porsche 930 in the late 70's (in europe) had 300. considering the SBR would have been smaller at this time, being japanese, it would probably have even less.

 

310 I guess?

500hp was the number for the 2.0L turbo lancia stratos racer in the 70s, so that is the number for the race car.

Also the SBR4 was supposed to be more successful in the US and europe than the other cars (which they stopped exporting to europe in 65, R series Tiare and SR4 were never sold in US), so the euro spec and US spec models would probably have around 350 (japanese around 200 maybe).
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_930

Oh lord, maybe not 350hp!
OK here-

japanese spec flat fours
1947-1953 AS1 (R350)- 47hp, 350cc, 1 bbl
1954-1960 AS2 (R360c, ETK 360 series)- 66hp, 360cc, 1bbl
1961-1969 AS2b (R360 tiare, SR4 360-1)- 80hp, 360cc, 1bbl
1963-1969 AS3 (R550 tiare, SR4 S 550-1)- 87hp, 550cc, 1bbl
1965-1969 AS4 (SR4 RS 1300-2, SBR4 1300-2)- 106hp, 1300cc, 2bbl
1966-1979 AL18 (SBR4 S 1800-2)- 132hp, 1800cc, 2bbl
1966-1970 X1 (RR8 spec R TT3500i)- 400hp (race), 290hp (homoligation), 3500cc, direct injection, twin turbo
1970-1979 AL13 (SR4 1300-2, SBR4 1300-2)- 107hp, 1300cc, 2bbl
1970-1979 AL13t (SBR4 RS T1300-4)- 167hp, 1300cc, 4bbl, turbo
1973-1979 AL20tt (SBR4 spec R TT2000i)- 221hp, 2000cc, mechanical injection, twin turbo

 

that's also wayyy too much power for a 350/360cc engine. the mazda R360 and subaru 360 in standard form made 16hp, and the most power subaru could squeeze out of the 360 was 36hp.

It seems reasonable for the SR/SBR to get a redesigned, larger, high revving motor made specifically for them in an export/seriesII kind of version, though a 1300cc slapped into a chassis originally made for a 360cc is a bit ludicrous. something more like a honda 600/800's motor, making about 60-80hp would make more sense for the tiare-platform generation.
that being said, when it goes to the AL chassis, stepping up to 1600-2000 is probably quite reasonable.

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updated that hirochi thing with a few details and some more models. note that the first sunburst has a really weird saab-ish drivetrain.

 

Well, I appreciate your creativity, but:

1. Japan wasn't allowed to produce passenger cars, and even if it was, there wasn't a big enough market to allow for launching one in 1947.

2. Foreign ownership of a Japanese company would be quite frowned upon. Same with using imported engines.

3. Just three models from such different segments would have been too few.

 

i have no idea if this fits here but i wonder why almost everyone puts "beam" in the name of something if they want it lore friendly

 

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I did not know they were not allowed to produce passenger cars. The war was over, right?

2. So then john lived in japan, and they never exported cars to america. Never owend by Ilien. SW uses Hirochi engine

3. SW starts production in 1954, instead of 1961. SBR4, SR4, R series Tiare, and SW series heavy duty trucks.

The AS and AL were engine families, AS being for 350, 360, 550, and early 570. AL would be 900, 1089, SW Handy 550, and turbo engines. The AL family would continue to produce engines for the SBR4 and SW Handy until 1995.

The Tiares were on the R platform, and the SR4/SBR4 were on a beefier version of that platform

Flat Fours
1947-1953 AS1 (R350/SW350 HandyStep/HandyMan)- 14hp 1bbl 350cc
1954-1960 AS2 (R360c/SW360 HandyStep/HandyMan II)- 28hp 1bbl 360cc
1961-1969 AS2b (R360 tiare/SW360 HandyStep/HandyMan III)- 31hp 1bbl 360cc
1964-1969 AS3 (R550 taire/SR4 550-1)- 47hp 1bbl 550cc
1963-1979 AS3s (SR4 S 570-2/SBR4 570-2)-69hp 2bbl 570cc
1965-1979 AL11 (SR4 RS 1100-2/SBR4 S 1100-2)- 83hp 2bbl 1089cc
1965-1970 X1 (RR8 LM)- 190hp 1900cc (flat 8) injection twin turbo
1970-1983 AL50 (SW550 HandyStep/HandyMan IV and V)-continuation of AS3 (with an HO 2bbl, much longer throw, 4 more hp, and 28 more lb-ft) for SW550 HandyStep/HandyMan IV and SW550 HandyStep/HandyMan V
1970-1979 ALT (SBR4 RS T900-4)- 104hp 4bbl turbo 900cc
1974-1979 ALTT (SBR4 spec R TT1100i)- 116hp injection turbo 1089cc

i3 FF for Tiare KD, i4/i6 FR for 70-82 Zen (Sunburst in US, considering that the Sunburst package was not available in the USA.)

HandyStep is van, HandyMan is truck.




So lets talk about a different company.......

What about an Ibisu sportscar? 140BX?