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Cars have low top speeds and fast acceleration

Discussion in 'Troubleshooting: Bugs, Questions and Support' started by XYReis, Jan 22, 2014.

  1. moosedks

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    could it be anything to do with the tire expanding due to centrifugal force at speed? It sounds like you're adding more beams to the tire so the tire would have more holding it in shape right? I don't know why the tire expanding would slow the car down but that's the only difference between a tire at stand still and a moving one in this game I think. Slower car's tires won't expand as much... maybe try bumping the hp up to very high levels on the covet and then do the test between normal tires and the new ones again?
     
  2. gabester

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    Part of it is due to a resonance "pit" that tires fall into at high speed, where it takes an extraordinary amount of power to overcome it. Once you get past that pit, with just enough power and the right torque curve and gear ratio, you can accelerate to a fairly realistic top speed. The Bolide was seemingly falling into this resonance pit. And yes, stiffer tires help with the rolling resistance, but they're at a realistic stiffness already and as stiff as I can make them in other ways within stability (i.e. not exploding). The tire expansion at speed is negligible - it is maybe 2% at 150 mph. You can measure the expansion by looking at the discrepancy between wheel speed and air speed - wheel speed will read low as the tire expands.

    I'm still not sure why the V beams only help with very fast cars. If I add them to the standard Covet, which seems to hit a resonance pit around 87 mph and sometimes sputters its way up to 100 - it actually makes the top speed worse... it never gets out of the 87 mph pit (unless I give it more power). The Covet Race (which used to be the Sport) with the turbo is only capable of 133 mph at best, and again, the V beams make it worse. I would expect more like 140-150 mph out of it, since it does 0-60 mph in 6.3 seconds and has 180 hp for its ~2150lb curb weight. It just hits a wall in top gear, at peak torque, where it simply won't accelerate anymore.

    On the other hand, there are cars whose top speed I'm quite happy with. The new version of the D15 Sport (which is now a factory option) with 423 horsepower can go 149 mph. The Grand Marshal Sport with the same engine can go 163 mph. I haven't tested thoroughly the effects of V beams on those cars, but I imagine they wouldn't do much, since they're right on the threshold of V beam effectiveness.
     
    #22 gabester, Jan 24, 2014
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  3. KiloHotel

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    Very interesting how you guy's have to tackle these problems, love reading about it. Keep up the great work, with all the stuff overcome so far I'm sure it will only be a matter of time.
     
  4. gabester

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    Woo! I found that if I set the expansion spring high enough on the V beams, they work for all cars, not just fast ones :) Got 102 mph out of the standard Covet, 137 mph out of the Covet Race (which I found out is actually gear limited), 172 mph out of the Bolide 350 GT, 142 mph out of the Bolide 320... will come back with more numbers as I add the V beams to every car :)
     
  5. Hati

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    Hah, good work with your breakthrough.
     
  6. moosedks

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    what does the new wheel's jbeam actually look like?
     
    #26 moosedks, Jan 24, 2014
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  7. gabester

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    You'll find out when we release the race update :p

    I dialed some aero drag back in to the cars (since the tire rolling resistance is more reasonable now). Standard Covet can still go 100 mph so that's good :) Also got the T75 above 100 mph (used to top out at 93).
     
  8. Craftworth

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    So, now the aerodynamics totally works in BeamNG? :)
    I noticed that in BeamNG damage the front of the car does not affect the top speed.
     
    #28 Craftworth, Jan 24, 2014
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  9. SixSixSevenSeven

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    102mph from a stock covet seems fully reasonable to me. I had about 105 from the speedometer (which isn't 100% accurate) from a vauxhall corsa with a 1 litre engine and that was it going full power I think. Throw in some discrepency in wheel sizes, gearing and any inaccuracy on the corsa speedo and 102 sounds entirely believable.

    149mph out of a D series just sounds absolutely terrifying.
     
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