ETK 2400i

856 is a model in the 800 series I can safely assume, it's how most car companies would do it.

Also, we don't have a thread for the car because it "should be a surprise."

 

nice gonna enjoy smashing this discount BMW, Yeah insurance fraud !!!

 

I just saw that this is gonna be RWD/AWD, I wish it was fwd/AWD because fwd is easier to drive I think.

 

Just wondering though, on almost every car thread you say that you cannot wait to smash the cars up, but dude. BeamNG is so much more than just smashing stuff up, lol. Go and have a cruise or try some scenarios. Try and drive a car for a while and notice the suspension simulation or the tyre model updates. BeamNG is so much more than just spawning vehicles, to crash them straight into the nearest object.
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ETK is mostly based on BMW which have Always been RWD cars. They only made a single FWD car which is very recent. AWD is also very easy to drive. If you're into FWD sedans, the 1st and 2nd gen Pessimas are nice alternatives.

 

I still like RWD but in my opinion FWD cars are easier to drive, there are multiple reasons for RWD being good the same goes for FWD. AWD is better at driving that both of those so... I guess this car will be awesome!

 

Theoretically, wouldn't AWD be a sort of "jack of all trades, master of none" in terms of cornering performance, as well as slower in a straight line due to extra weight and drivetrain losses?

 

I agree with you. I've driven both AWD and FWD/RWD cars before and the amount of momentum lost when you're not on the throttle is massive. The AWD car was heavier because of the AWD system than the FWD car. I would like to say, though, that cornering in an AWD car with passengers in the back is quite fun (for the driver anyway), but it's all dependant on how the chassis is set up. I'm sure gabester will do something about the chassis on this car.

 

Yes and no, it always depends on the parameters of the "tests" done to determine performance; some tests ( usually anything that favors strait line grip at lower speeds) will favor AWD drivetrains, where others will favor rear wheel drive.

Here is a long winded response for no good reason whatsoever.

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In longer sections a RWD car does have a mechanical advantage in terms of less potential engine power taken by the drivetrain, though this only becomes a major factor in higher speed scenarios. As for handling generally yes, the added weight of a drivetrain will shave a couple tenths of a second off your acceleration, and might cause a loss of a couple tenths of a lateral G, however AWD cars hold an exponential advantage in lower grip surfaces, not mainly due to the added acceleration benifits, but due to the uniform and (generally) forgiving traits AWD inherits under power, not to say a rear wheel drive car cannot perform under power in low grip situations, it just simply takes more skill on the driver's part. Furthermore at high speeds AWD platforms are generally more stable than their rear wheel drive counterparts. Taking the driver into consideration as well, AWD cars are generally more forgiving, and to a novice driver this may make the AWD car faster.
As a final Note, heavier doesn't always equal bad, look at the nissan GTR for example; the engineers actually said they found they needed to make the car heavier to achieve its cornering performance, as racing cars would weigh around 1800kg with the added downforce of the aero equipment. I don't know if that's just the engineers covering up their tracks for making the car bulky, or if its true, but it is what they said.

So far it may seem like i am championing AWD over RWD, however as a road racing (or power-drifting) platform RWD cars have the most potential, as there is less weight involved, and RWD has an ideal cornering trait; RWD cars generally oversteer if power is applied under cornering forces, as the rear tires get loaded by both cornering force and engine power, forcing the rear outwards as less friction is available for cornering, this trait if managed can be used to counter under steer simply by adding a proper amount of throttle, "pushing" the car around a corner (drifting is taking this to the extreme), and allowing the car to be pointed strait out of a corner (or to the next) on the ideal line when exiting a corner. AWD somewhat can share this trait, but that depends on the car. Another nice trait of RWD cars is the extra traction gained by the weight shifting to the rear (over the drive wheels) during acceleration, improving traction (unlike say a fwd, where acceleration decreases traction to an extent, as weight is shifted away from the drive wheels). A downside for a RWD car here is that they are hard to master properly, and are less stable at high speeds. However one of the most important traits to a rear wheel drive car is tire wear during racing; tire wear is one of the main reason rwd is the staple of most high performance road racing cars because as the tires wear the rear wears the most and the quickest, so even when the rear is worn the front will still turn, a good bonus to both safety and knowing when its time to head to the pits, as well as still staying competitive when your tires start to wear; a few laps more can make a difference. Awd and Fwd cars will wear the front tires quicker, so when your tires get worn, you cannot turn as easily, which can be detrimental to competitiveness in longer races.
As a final note FWD cars can be fun too, however with the exception of some rally streams, mainstream racing has yet to greatly adopt FWD, with the exception of that new Nissan Le-mans car.

Sorry for typing a documentary, I seem to be incapable of not rambling, also if anyone sees any errors or has anything to add, feel free to call it out, but try not to turn the etk page into a discussion thread.

 

These options are unnecessary, when u can take belaz and drive over supercar

 

Wish we had some screenshots of this

Nah, just kidding.
There'd be more excitement if you didn't anyways.
I know I'm hyped

 

Gabe said its going in game soon so hopefully we'll have more screens of it. I can't wait to see what badging and logo it gets; whether it will be more BMW or Audi.

 

How about a Straight-5 turbo engine with AWD system?Like Audi did during the crazy Group B.

 

RE: FR pushing itself out of a corner. That's exactly what I was thinking of; the tendency of RWD cars towards power oversteer manifests as an ability to rotate themselves out of a corner. In a corner exiting onto a straightaway, this could theoretically lead to a higher exit speed, which is usually the important one. In continuous corners, this tendency could instead help the driver set up for the next bend. I suspect an AWD, depending on weight distribution and how the system works as far as F/R power distribution, torque vectoring, etc., might act a little bit more like an FF in a situation like that, with the front tires trying to wash out and drag the car wide, or at least counteracting the beneficial rotation effect of the power going to the rear. That's ultimately what I meant: an AWD not properly set up might combine the disadvantages of FF (understeer, no on-power rotation, bad weight distribution in some instances) with the disadvantages of FR (more weight, more parts, not as stable as FF) while adding a few of its own (even more weight, drivetrain loss), ultimately making an easy-to-drive but not particularly fast car.

 

AWD very interessing i cant wait to drift with the RWD version

 

Oh, will it have something like Hamann or Brabus pack? (Widebody, paint etc)

 

The AWD vehicles to tend to exhibit pretty neutral handling in terms of under versus over steer actually. While they do have the disadvantage of front wheels being driven under power causing a potential loss of traction and hence understeer, they only have half the power going to those front wheels, then they also have half the power going to the rear wheels where the wheels have the potential to slip and induce oversteer under power. The actual roadgoing reality tends towards the understeer scenario slightly more than over, but it is nowhere near as pronounced as in a fwd car.
In terms of corner exits, if anything they have the advantage in being able to distribute a large portion of the power straight to the ground to accelerate out of the bend. 200bhp FWD car has to deliver 200bhp through the front wheels, you might not be able to do that and have to back off on throttle or have the car go dangerously wide, 200bhp RWD is just going to want to rotate on the spot. 200bhp AWD, you only have 100bhp to floor at each end.



They are essentially just far more stable vehicles mid corner, far more predictable and will more readily allow the engine to put out its maximum potential at any one time. With the disadvantage that yes its heavier, yes tyre wear isnt necessarily any good for endurance racing, its more mechanically complex and you have more parasitic losses from friction.
Should be noted that not all AWD systems are a 50:50 torque split. Some are actually variable such as that in mothers Rav 4 (of course a road going crossover rather than a sports vehicle) going from 100:0 FWD through to a 50:50 locked split with no centre differential action. The Focus RS can go to 70% Rear. The new subaru WRX in automatic trims can do some limited vectoring although manuals remain at 50% with a centre differential.



That new Nismo FWD le mans car massively exploits the stability of FWD cars, track conditions are rarely perfect for the full race, its times in the wet are said to be exceptional. Those cars can be squirrelly under power, FWD cars are almost never so.
Left foot braking can also be used to get a FWD car to bring its arse around mid corner

 

Does a I5 engine even exist?

 

Audi's signature ^^

 

Yes... The iconic Audi Quattro had an i5 and Volvo had an i5 in the T5R model as well iirc.

 

also ford had one in the old focus rs