Having done a fair bit of playing around on the R60 that I am working on for BeamNG the toe in does have very drastic effects on handling. I had quite a bit of fun trying to figure out how to make a front wheel drive car fun while also not killing everyone on roundabouts and corners. Fair to say it takes someone vastly more skilled than myself (or most ricer owners) to get suspension geometry set up in an optimal way, therefore it is probably a good idea to leave it alone if you don't know what you are doing. Unless you want to play with it for the fun of learning. In general I didn't notice a huge difference from lowering the car in terms of handling. Stiffening the suspension makes the car hop and jump around rather than keeping the wheels on the ground past a certain point, However I found stiffer setups work better on tracks since on roads it needs to be softer to keep the wheels on the road and hence maximise grip, but once again fairly large effects on how the car feels. Adding a roll cage did make a difference though, stiffening the chassis made the car much more stable. Worth noting that this is all stuff I have found from experimentation and therefore may not be 100% accurate. Personally I think I would take fabric seats over leather ones most days from a comfort point of view.
My car hasn't suffered as much from being that low as it did from not having enough spring to stop from rubbing the wheel wells in a hard turn. I have all the reinforcements on the rear subframe to run a nasty sway bar but I have other things to worry about first. Once it's setup how I like It and I'm on the same rubber as the expensive guys it won't be hard to embarrass them in the back country. I put 6 cars per turn on an STI and never broke 100 doing it. Next spring I'll put this civic around limerock in 1 minute flat.
Not much from the factory but my god the joy it brings me. I want to get a 99 to 2001 crv so I can go stiffer and gut all the non essentials out.
Seeing as your are talking about shitty econobox's. I thought that i would weigh in considering i did a modern regularity race meeting at Mallala around a month ago in a little weight stripped, thrashed and single cam excel. At the meeting there was some rich idiots who brought, i think it was a 5 series BMW thing that was very new driven by the husband but didn't race in the class i was in. However the the wife in my class was driving the well known mid-engined Porsche Boxster . On the track i was doing high 1:37's and 1:38's in a trashy excel which it only strong points are that it had 185mm wide sporty tyres front and rear instead of standard 175's. They were not semi slicks by any means but they were better than hard compound road tyres. The other "plusses" was that it probably weighed around 840kg, not completely sure but they weight 920kg factory and this had Velo race seats in the front seats and everything taken out the back and it had a sway bar and lowered springs. On the track this meant that i could fly into turn 1 going about 110-115kmh and still make it out the other side without going off track and brake super late going into turns but on the straights the engine is shit. (Mallala if you know about is better for cars with more power than it is for cars with heaps of grip). During one of the heats though i spun the Excel at turn 1, don't quite remember how but this made me get stuck behind the rich idiot wife in her Boxster that was also stuck behind another Excel driven by a friend. On the exit of the turns i would have more speed than than here but because each turn is followed by a long straight she could just put her foot down a little bit more and leave me behind. Into braking zones the cars had similar performance because the excels weight makes up for the wider tyres and better brakes that she had, but because she had more power i couldn't get near her in the braking zone. This meant that i was stuck behind her for around 4 laps. The stupid marshals wouldn't even give her a blue flag to let me get past even though i was clearly faster than her with my fastest lap being at least 6 seconds faster than hers. This is one reason that i hate rich people and their fancy cars because none of them have the skills to actually make the most of their car by pushing it to the limit. It also proves that econobox pieces of shit can keep up with fancy cars because generally they weigh less, have shorter wheelbase aiding turn in and good braking capabilities especially with good wide tyres. Even on the road my bone stock twin cam excel with hard 175 tyres and stock suspension handles great and i haven't even been able to push it hard. (with your L's you have to have a parent in the car in this case it was my mammy). In the coming months i will be able to push the limits of the car and see how good it is. Don't worry i wont kill myself, i'd say im a bit more intelligent than someone that thinks they are a driving god and ends wrapped around a tree because they don't know it's limits and approach and go over it way too quickly. Rant over, Have a nice day.
Speaking of shitty econoboxes found out my 95 Camry tops out at 108.5 MPH. That's in forth gear, fifth says fuck you I am an overdrive gear. But it seems like it might be a limiter, car felt like it had a little bit more. It will rev to 6200 and bounce the limiter, but it stopped accelerating at 5400.
Quoted for frickin' truth. The problem with trying to tune some of these cars is that you're trying to find the weak point in a car made entirely out of weak points, such as my Sunbird. Just as one example, hard corners, such as a roundabout taken at excessive speed, cause some kind of... issue. Whatever it is manifests as a hideous moaning noise that rises and falls with revs while fading over time, along with a distinct burning smell that you will notice if you park and step out shortly thereafter. What is this? Oil starvation? Like I have the kind of time, money, and skills you need to dry-sump a car like this!
Thing's i generally hate about 70's American cars. (a)-Most 70's cars are flooded with electrical problems, my uncle's Buick had his blinker turn on mysteriously and his brake lights also turned on when he pulled the parking brake. (b)-Build quality is completely unknown to Ford, a Ford LTD that once belonged to a neighbor, in just a few weeks, it started acquiring rust everywhere and soon found it's way to the junkyard. (c)-Vinyl tops would break after a year or so. But other than that, i like most 70's American cars.
I didn't pay much attention to the Nissan IDx concept back when it came out, I just happened to watch Jay Leno reviewing it & holy shit. That car is perfect, I need one in my life.
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i recently saw a ute wich i didnt recognize maybe you can help me sadly i have no pic of it. at the front it had a oldsmobile hood badge and the front reminded me a bit of the delta 88 and the rear looked a bit like an el camino but when i look for oldsmobile utes i dont really find any are they self made or am i just to stupid to find em?
I realized that my scrubby driving is probably a result of insufficient practice, which in turn goes back to laziness. It just hit me today; there's on corner on my commute that I can nail to within inches every time, simply due to having taken it enough times. Though I'm nowhere near the limit when doing this, it still goes to show that the main reason I can't drive worth beans is that I just haven't been willing to put in the hours. Need to fix this. Maybe.
If you have any friends that race cars or are atleast good at it, you should try doing a track day with them in the passenger seat and they can tell you how the racing line works and how to maximise speed on exit. It is extremely fun and they are usually fairly cheap depending on the circuit. Here in Adelaide, Australia, I think a track day at mallala is around $150 and is well worth it considering the amount of time on the track you get.
I finally cleaned out the interior in my car. #surpriseweightreductionbro I threw everything in the trunk. #theregoesmyweightreductionbro
Except for the fact that the people who cant afford a sports car also probably couldn't afford to have their car tuned, so that point kind of goes out the window... And if you were going to have a car tuned why get an economy car? Why not something with a bigger engine to start with like a early 2000's lincoln town car, or ford excursion? sure they would be much worse handling and much heavier but still it would probably be cheaper to get power from. and either way I still dont understand what reason anybody would want a car with performance, if it's stable enough at highway speeds, can reach highway speeds and has a tight enough turning radius to navigate normal roads and parking lots then that seems good enough to me in terms of performance.
I don't have friends period *foreveralone.jpg*. Alaska also has no track days except an occasional autocross, which I'm pretty sure is over for the year.
If you had cars like that and a job that pays well enough to be able to afford them and probably pays well enough for the owners of the cars to actually enjoy life rather than hating it would YOU want to push them anywhere near the limit especially when they are yours and not only that with you INSIDE of them? I mean if you're working 10 hours a day for minimum wage living in a shitty econobox then yeah I could definately see why you wouldnt mind risking your life because you probably hate it anyways. But THEY have the money to actually be able to enjoy life and not hate every bit of it. basically what it comes down to is they value their lives more than you.
I wouldn't say so. Even if you're poor you can still enjoy life, and with money comes stress. I think more what it is is: 1. They often don't really care about driving and really just want a fancy car to pose in. 2. They probably think they're good drivers already, thus no need to improve. 3. They probably never bothered to learn performance driving before when they had a lesser car, and as a result, they are completely not ready for the greater speed of a Porsche or Lamborghini.
Isn't that pretty much what everyone wants? even people who tune their cars probably just do it for bragging rights rather than actual performance. edit: I'd also like to point out that another reason is that with a cheap car you probably wont care as much if it gets a minor cosmetic damage.
