I was wondering wtf you guys were on about. Then I remembered. Apparently redrobin doesnt know how to drive on anything other than perfectly grippy tarmac.
Or. Learn throttle control and cadence braking Screw the existance of ABS (which often makes things worse on anything other than a perfect surface). Screw traction control. Learn to things without either. I drive in the wet on mismatched tyres (one isnt far off the legal limit, other seems to be nearly new) with no traction control, yeah the car has it installed, I disable it.
I've got throttle control. I've slid the thing a couple times, kept it perfectly controlled. I do suppose that cadence braking would be useful to learn. It's ABS is useless. It'll cut in and promptly not do anything.
Currently on hold with Sonic Electronix, calling them through Skype, to tell them their speaker sizes for the Escort are way off. It's 5.25" round speakers in the front and 6x8s in the rear "deck". EDIT: They appreciated the help.
Small trucks have very little weight over the back end which makes them very easy to spin around, especially when it's wet. The fact that it hasn't succeeded in trying to kill him shows us that he knows what he's doing. Have you ever even driven a rwd vehicle? A rwd truck is very different from fwd econobox.
Focuses are respectable cars. They are econobox-ish though. I wouldn't mind having one. They handle like a go kart. I was mainly referring to whatever his previous vehicle was. An Astra or something like that?
Yes I have driven RWD. A BMW 320D. A Mitsubishi Shogun. Not what you meant but I fucking owned a scooter for 2 years, you know, those things that are exclusively RWD, then a go kart too. I can actually flip that question on you. Have you ever driven a FWD vehicle? As it stands, those small trucks have much wider tyres than a so called econobox with more mass on them, yes the bed may be unloaded, the ladder frame + solid rear axle + bed is still enough to put more weight on the tyres of a pickup than on an econobox. Enough so that should you fling a car around a corner a tad to fast, what happens? Oversteer. Yes FWD cars are more renowned for understeer than oversteer, but lift off the throttle in the wet and a FWD car will suffer from lift off oversteer, hit the brake to slow yourself down as instinct tells you to do and you make it even worse. The front wheels begin to lock, weight transfers forwards causing the already lightly loaded rear axle to suffer even reduced traction, the rear wheels then lock completely due to a complete lack of traction, the front has more traction and will stop already, the inertia of the vehicle already rotation causes the already loose and now locked wheels rear to swing around and overtake you. Plus for fun, lets do some maths on weight distribution. A 5 door ford focus ST170 (specific I know, but data was most readily available for it) has 62.2% of its mass on the front wheels, rest on rear (it appears the estates have slightly less forward bias than 5 doors which in turn are less biased than 3 doors, but not by much, the 170 is more biased than the 2 and 1.8 litre which is more biased than the 1.6 etc, but it all makes just a few percents difference, we're still talking like 60 for the lightest estate and maybe 63/64 for heaviest 3 door). When you have no rear differential or anything like that, you tend to get a pretty severe forward bias. This is with a kurb weight of 1314Kg. 62.2% of 1314 is 817.308Kg on front axle, leaving 496.492 on the rear. I pulled these specs for a sonoma, may not be same model, but I dont own same model focus as above so we'll roll with it for now. These are all example figures anyway. https://www.driverside.com/specs/gmc-sonoma-2000-2976-6723-0 We have kurb weights front and rear listed seperate here. 1253lbs rear, 1735 front. Or in kilos, 568.3512 rear and 786.9828 front. We'll round to 568.4 and 787.0 for this. 568.4+787 = 1355Kg. Surprisingly low, I can only assume this is a lower trim sonoma or something. 787/1355 = 0.58. Or 58% forward weight distribution, leaving 42% rear. MORE THAN A FOCUS!!!!! So yeah, that vehicle that has more weight on its rear axle totally has less weight on its rear axle.
Aka, prove that actually potato is wrong and simply taking his quoted reason for why a pickup is worse in wet than a fwd econobox actually shows a favouring towards the pickup over the econobox.
Ah, but unlike your Focus, the power goes exclusively to the rear wheels (duh). It's so much easier to lose it. So, with the V6, that's 200 HP and 245lb-ft of torque going to (damn near bald) wheels that only support 47% of the vehicles weight, not about 60%. That's a large difference, within a large power range. Also, the V6 is much, much, much heavier than the 4-cylinder you used in your example. So it's probably more in the realm of 42-45% in the back. Fly to America, drive a medium duty small-pickup, and come back.
easy easy, forgive me here. Who would win in a baldtire drag race, 6677 or potato? -update, too, he was talking about cornering more or less, and I know from a 55mph bad pass spin out with an olds 98 that weight over frontwheel sucks when in a extreme hazard oversteer. go to pass, oh ***, slam brakes, lock and turn, now I am spinning at 55 in a straight line...
42-45% in the back is still more than the focus only have 38% in the back. Thats also more physical mass over those wheels ignorant of the balance. Thats also on wider tyres which equals more surface area which equals more grip. If you quit stomping the gas, it wont be an issue. I drove a 320D in the wet, a car with 258ft-lb of torque, no problems whatsoever. I'll note the E90 platform is meant to be fairly spot on 50:50 with only slight variation between sedan/coupe and 2/4 door, but primarily its more a case that I don't stomp the gas unless I need to, the throttle is pretty much infinitely adjustable, you dont need full pedal travel to get rolling dude... Or do I have to show an initial D clip in here, while it may be an anime, it raises several valid points on driving style, one particular episode with a mazda RX7 twin turbo on a hillclimb performing poorer than an RX7 single turbo simply due to it gaining collosal wheelspin under acceleration on a loose surface with the drivers lead foot (Fourth stage, episode 8). - - - Updated - - - Spinning the FWD cars. I've done it, twice. Both in wet in corsa, both because I idiotically braked when the tail came out. First time stuck the car into a grassy verge on the inside of the bend, the other time left me facing the car behind me. Since then, it happened again, except instead I used the correct approach, rear goes out on FWD car, accelerate, transfers weight rearwards regaining traction. In a rear wheel drive car, if the reasoning for the spin initiating was too much throttle, LET GO OF THE THROTTLE THEN YOU BLOODY TIT, and let it be a lesson you were using too much in the first place. Driven a gokart in the wet too, now that was tail happy. Driven a scooter on ice, that was tail happy, fun though, terrifying too, but fun, only time I came off that scooter was in the wet actually, U turn, patch of wet leaves, few scuffs to the plastic of the scooter but otherwise no harm done, tripping over in the street on foot recently did more damage (wounds still healing).
