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Discussion in 'Automotive' started by HadACoolName, Mar 6, 2015.

  1. Ytrewq

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    Like all other contemporary Alfa Romeos, suffers from chronical breakdowns.
     
  2. MrAnnoyingDude

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    That is an area that saw vast improvement over Alfas of yore.
     
  3. NGAP NSO Shotgun Chuck

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    Ford has had a long history of treating their customers like inconveniences, going all the way back to the Pinto.
     
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  4. Ytrewq

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    By chance, has your family ever had an Alfa or any other Italian car? I think not.
     
  5. aljowen

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    Obviously reliability charts are something that should be taken with a grain of salt. But generally Alfa seem to be doing just fine for reliability.
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    https://www.whatcar.com/news/2018-what-car-reliability-survey/n17826

    For those interested as to why Tesla is not only at the bottom, but by a long way:

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  6. MrAnnoyingDude

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    No.
     
  7. rottenfitzy

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    Want something somewhat reliable? Buy an e39 BMW 525i. Facelift is the one to have.
    Want something you can fix very easily? Buy an e28 BMW 525i, or a 518i or 520i if you want to save gas. E28s are big in Poland, so many shops will still service them. Also, engines go for 300,000+km. Seriously consider an old, mid 80s 5 series. If you want to know more, PM me.

    Also look at W124 estates too......
     
  8. MrAnnoyingDude

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    How did you jump from a new mass-market wagon, to be bought due to 7 years of warranty, to an old, likely worn, German exec?
     
  9. Ytrewq

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    This is data about cars manufactured during 2014-2018. 159 was already discontinued by then.
    I've seen a Finnish chart about percentages of inspection failures in 15 year old cars, containing 110 models that showed up in sufficient numbers. Alfa Romeos weren't found outside the last 40 places. (Top rated cars were Japanese and Audis, other VAGs and MBs behind. The worst were Italian and American, with occasional French and BMWs among them. Surprisingly, Ladas made their way into the upper half and middle of the chart.)
    My parents have had 11 brand new or almost brand new cars (4 German, 3 Swedish, 2 Italian, 1 American and 1 Japanese). 3 of them suffered from severe mechanical issues. 2 of these 3 were Italian, one of them was a 147. So, 100% of their Italian cars malfunctions and so severe they had to be sold.
     
  10. MrAnnoyingDude

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    A 147,not a 159.

    And inspection failures say more about the care cars are given than their reliability.
     
  11. Ytrewq

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    Mechanicals are the same.
     
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  12. MrAnnoyingDude

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    No, they are not. Two different platforms, different electronics and electrics, likely different engines...
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    And anecdotal fallacy.
     
  13. MisterKenneth

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    First the Pinto, now this?

    It's stuff like this that makes me wonder how they're still in business.


    How can a $74,000 - $135,000 electric car be unreliable? o_O

    I honestly question those statistics.
     
  14. MrAnnoyingDude

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    Decent value, low risk of actually being a victim.

    Bodywork and, well, electrics.
     
  15. MisterKenneth

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    I don't feel like arguing with you over the Pinto. I think we all said enough about it.

    That's what gets me. How could they sell a car that fails in those departments for such high prices?

    And what would those statistics say about the Model X and the Roadster?
     
  16. NGAP NSO Shotgun Chuck

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    It's a Tesla. It runs on hype. It could completely fail to function half the time and the EV fanboys would still love it.
     
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  17. MrAnnoyingDude

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    QC problems, doing well enough in others, MSRP being a bad indicator of reliability.
     
  18. ktheminecraftfan

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    Well it's not surprising comming from Ford, the same company who made the Pinto, Bronco II and the Ford Explorer (Exploder).


    Are there Any other Ford scandals that I might of missed?
     
  19. General S'mores

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    One word: Profit.
     
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  20. NGAP NSO Shotgun Chuck

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    Well, there were the 1999 Mustang Cobras which were rated at 320 horsepower but had an exhaust problem which meant they actually only put out 279, or 19 more than the newly-improved-that-year Mustang GT. When someone revealed this, they fixed the problem only grudgingly and only after slapping a restraining order on the guy who blew the whistle. A few years before that, they had underbuilt automatic transmissions that would break at stupidly low mileages. There are probably other things that I can't even remember right now. I'm sure there are genuinely talented people at Ford who genuinely want to build the best cars they can, but the people running the show are more on the order of "buy our cars and then shut up if they aren't as advertised/break down constantly/try to kill you."
     
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