General Car Discussion

Discussion in 'Automotive' started by HadACoolName, Mar 6, 2015.

  1. mhegai

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    support the troops 'n god bless 'murica!
    On topic: what you also could do is just rent a bus. That saves alot of money
     
  2. ARES IV

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    New german minister for transport Volker Wissing dismisses synthetic e-fuels for cars as unrealistic option, says that battery electric has won the race. In a move that poured ice cold water onto the hopes of oil industry and internal combustion engine part manufacturers alike, he also advised against buying a new internal combustion engine powered car, predicting major loss of value within a decade.

    https://www.euractiv.com/section/el...inister-backs-electric-cars-in-e-fuel-debate/

    I am not much of a fan of the liberal party of germany.... but it is very nice to see them accepting reality at last.

    After more than a century, the time of the internal combustion engine in cars, is coming to an end.
     
  3. GearHead1

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    It's nice to see that they realise the truth but damn, that last bit with not buying ICEs was cold. It's kinda weird that the German Ministry of Transport is behind the German automakers in realising the truth behind EVs.
     
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  4. TheSomething

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    2000-present GM is piece of shit. Prove me wrong
     
  5. Zero ibishu's left

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    2013-2017 Chevrolet SS
    - 6.2L V8 making 415 HP
    - A manual transmission
    - 4-doors or room
    - RWD
    - all for a, probably not great price of 42k
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    - 6.2L V8 making 415hp
    - A Manual
    - 4-door room
    - RWD
    - 37K
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    2006-2007 Pontiac grand prix GXP
    - 5.3L V8 making 303 HP
    - 4 doors
    - FWD, yuck
    - 29,995$
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    2006-2009 Chevrolet Trailblazer SS
    - 6.0L V8 from the vette!
    - Its an SUV
    - Off-road purposes
    - On-road purposes
    - 37,495$
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  6. NGAP NSO Shotgun Chuck

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    Of course they would. Synthetic fuels and ICE in general are too easy and convenient.
     
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  7. ARES IV

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    Our last transport minister was a disaster so it is even very pleasant to finally have somebody at the helm with competence.

    His words may have been unpopular but that doesnt make them wrong. In 10 years, there will be a lot of 400km+ range used EV on the market... good luck with selling a gas guzzler that in many ways is inferior and more expensive to run.

    Synthetic fuel creation is a rather complex and energy heavy process. ICE require significantly more maintenance than an electric motor while still having significantly less lifetime for the identical build quality.

    I get it. You like vroooom vroooom. But that is not going to stop the industry and the mainstream to go fully electric in the next 15 years.
     
  8. NGAP NSO Shotgun Chuck

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    I'm talking about convenience of use. I'm talking about the ability to just jump in and go - on a few seconds' notice, if necessary. And if you do need to refuel, it's a quick process. Back when I drove the Sunbird, I had a stopwatch taped to the rear view mirror, and one of the things I did with it was time fuel stops. I don't think it was ever more than 5 minutes from front wheels touching the concrete pad to rear wheels leaving it - and that was paying with cash, with a line at the register in front of me.

    A lot of people will talk about "range anxiety" and how range anxiety is somehow "dead" now that EV range is improving, and ACKSHUALLY using heater/radio/etc. doesn't affect range that much, and so on and so forth. But if you want to be accurate about it, it's not "range anxiety", it's recharge anxiety. With an ICE car, your "range" is effectively infinite as long as you're within your remaining-fuel radius of a gas station (which it is difficult not to be). You don't stop moving until you feel like it or have reached your destination. You don't need to plan your trips or schedule your life around refueling. And can you imagine what an ordeal refueling would be if everyone who needed gas hogged the pump for 30 minutes or more, not 5 or less? Because that's what charging stations will look like once EVs become more popular.

    Plus, what happens when the power goes out? Because that just happened a couple weeks ago where I live. I was lucky in that I only lost power for 4-ish hours. For some people, it was multiple days. This is likely to happen at least once every fall or winter where I live, and that has been the case for years.

    On top of which, hard acceleration and high speeds are hard on batteries. I know it's hard for you to fathom, but some people do still care about those things.

    To put it short, ICE became the propulsion type of choice because it struck the perfect balance between performance and convenience in order to satisfy nearly every use case effectively. In other words, it works with the rhythm of its user's life, whatever that might be. EVs, on the other hand, have basically been forced into the spotlight, because an EV subjects its users to its own rhythm, rather than itself to theirs. Thus it is typical of things promoted by theory-lovers, who will, rather than allowing life to arrange itself naturally around whatever happens to work, will glom on to one thing that they like or think should work, such as bicycles, electric cars, and many other things I'd likely get banned for disagreeing with on here, and try to force it to work - even if that means forcibly rearranging all of life to make that thing fit.
     
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  9. GearHead1

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    Not a chance
     
  10. Slugfest

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    What do you see as the main advantages of EVs?
     
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    However, battery pack cannot be maintained to restore lifetime. The reason of both this and ICE needs more maintenance, is that the battery is the reactor, not just energy accumulator like the fuel tank. And in an ICEV, the reactor is the engine.
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    Most people are indifferent towards vroom vroom, but many of them don't like their lifestyle being changed by "mainstream vehicles".

    When driving long distance where the total distance is longer than the vehicle's range, the average speed will reduce. When driving an ICEV, the average speed is only dropped slightly since refueling is very quick. Driving an EV on the other hand, the reduction of average speed is significant due to long charging times. To make matters even worse, at highway speeds the faster the speed the much lower the electric range. You may need to slow down rather than driving at the speed limit to increase driving distance between charges. Since the feeling-related brain structures are interconnected(synesthesia?), the discomfort during the lengthy trip may had a bad effect on the people. In other words, the boring charging waiting time might leads to a lowered angst tolerance in other portion of whole trip, possibly causing more miscommunication when interacting with local people at the destination. In conclusion the, mainstreamization of EVs may lead to an increase of xenophobia.
     
  12. ThatCarGuyDownTheStreet

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    ok so if you have a garage and do city driving than an ev is all fine and dandy
    if you don't, then an ev is most likely not for you
    that's my most simple answer to this conundrum
     
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  13. TheSomething

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    I meant about what they are doing with Saturn (the reason is stupid as for so big corporation
     
  14. default0.0player

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    However, someone wants to electrify all vehicles, no matter how many garages you have.
     
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  15. NGAP NSO Shotgun Chuck

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    This. I don't want to have to hate electric cars, but when their existence poses a threat of nothing else even existing or being allowed to, I kind of have to.
     
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  16. TheSomething

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    How ironic, making electric car is bad for world, they making even worse cars than cars with this smoke. That means electric car will just faster ruin the world's economic
     
  17. ThatCarGuyDownTheStreet

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    That's untrue lol, engineering explained debunked the "electric cars are worse for the environment" thing a while ago.
     
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  18. TheSomething

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    Sorry I didn't know that
     
  19. Slugfest

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    What I'm interested in is where this idea came from and why all traces of it have disappeared. The internet has an odd way of hiding things that people aren't supposed to know, and this is one of those subjects that's amazingly cloudy the moment you look past the foreground of what you're supposed to think. Do you know anything more about this?
     
  20. default0.0player

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    Hate those politicians instead, these figureheads try to make us average people feel guilty about driving a petrol/diesel car, while they travel by private jets themselves.
     
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