General computer talk/advice

How significant is an upgrade from a not-even-year-old FX 8350 to an Intel i5-7600k and should I?

 

It's like going from a Lada 2107 to a BMW M4.

Ryzen 5 1600. Cheaper, performs similarly in single-threaded games, blows the doors off the 7600K in anything that can take advantage of it's 12 threads. Can't afford a 1600? No problem! The 1500 is like an i7-7700K, albeit, a tad bit slower.

 

I'm buying a Ryzen 5 1600 and a MSI socket AM4 motherboard. I hope it goes well.



But MSi used to do a horrible job at applying thermal paste

 

It's comparable to going from a 94' Sentra with a blown clutch to a '17 GT-R NISMO. If you can afford it, AND the other parts you will need to replace to work with the Intel CPU, do it.

 

due to the mining craze I cant find an rx470/480/570/580 anywhere
just ordered all the other parts though so it should arrive in time for my birthday
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/92RHgL
huge upgrade from my laptop (specs in signature)

 

The reason I was asking about if I should switch to Intel is because of the temp, integrated graphics and better Hackintosh support (yes I'm still thinking about this). I play BeamNG on my computer more than pretty much every other game installed (but not by much) and BeamNG tends to run significantly better on an Intel CPU than AMD's counterpart.

I watch NinetyNine's streams quite often and I noticed that BeamNG on his end tends to run smoother than mine and the cars load in about one to 2 seconds (it takes about 5 to 8 on mine). According to his Steam profile, he has the same amount of RAM as me and uses a GTX 970 like me, but his CPU is an i5-4670K.

I went from an FX-4300 to the 8350 because I didn't want to bother buying an LGA supported mobo (note that I had upgraded to a different mobo earlier this year that still uses AM3+). I did not see much of an improvement on anything besides BeamNG's Banana bench saying that I can run 6 cars instead of 3 (either way, the UI still goes unstable after the third car, and framerate wasn't much of an improvement) and that Windows starts a bit quicker. If waited longer and changed the mobo, I would've gone for an i5-7600k.

 

Should have waited. Should have. When you do switch, hope your pc is compatible when you want to do hachintoshes.

 

Random question but what is the basic story with this PC mining craze?

 

Crpto-currencies were worth over 1000 dollars per... crypto-dollar/coin/thing they use and used to be easy to "mine."
original: Crypto-currencies were worth like over 1000 per crypto-dollar and used to be easily minable.

 

Sorry, English went out the window... Revised: Crpto-currencies were worth over 1000 dollars per... crypto-dollar/coin/thing they use and used to be easy to "mine." (Will fix up the initial.)

 

Uh never mind.

 

Traditionally, currency used to be what was known as gold backed. A dollar bill had an equivalent value in gold and the treasury kept ahold of a large quantity of gold which was the gold your money represented.
Crypto currencies, instead of being gold backed are basically calculation time backed.

Each crypto coin is made by a group publishing this big block of data and then you going off and running a huge amount of maths on it.

That maths takes forever on a computer processor, but can be done relatively quickly on a graphics card. There's an even faster way of mining them but that's probably the fastest way accessible to most people.

With each coin often being worth 500-1000 dollars in trade. You only need to mine a few and you have your money back. Unfortunately the chances of you even getting a few are minimal, it's a bit of a race, and one that some dedicated folk have beat you to already.

A new crypto currency just came out and got popular for some reason, alot of people are buying AMD graphics cards to mine it and driving prices of those cards up in the process as the supply shrinks.
Reason it's AMD specifically that's going up? Frankly stupidity. In older GPU generations, AMD graphics cards were legitimately faster at doing the calculations required here, people think that's still the case with current gear, it's not.

 

Now and days, Nvidia titan Xps or just 1080 are way more than capable for mining, but for the price... depends if you are lucky to get a bunch to have the card pay for itself.

 

Well, not really those currencies are worth over 1000. Only crypto-currency worth over 1000 USD is Bitcoin. Currently it goes up and down at around 2500. Any other crypto-currencies are well below 1000 USD. Bitcoin mining is not related to what so ever is happening in GPU market now, because you can't mine Bitcoins with GPU anymore(well, you can technically, but it is completely not profitable for a few years already due to ASICs). What people do mine with GPUs now is mainly Ethereum, Zcash and maybe one or two other currencies.

Some articles that might explain current situation:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ethereum-price-drop-difficulty-increase,34985.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ethereum-cryptocurrency-beginners-guide,34820.html

 

Even the 1060 can give an rx580 a run for its money, and takes extremely well to overclocking to get the edge.
The 1070 beats every AMD offering.

Nvidias 9xx and 10xx generation boosted OpenCL performance compared to previous generations so they aren't hampered as badly versus AMD as they used to be. Plus they now have raw brute strength in generally higher specs to bring to bear versus the AMD line

 

Oh I see now. alot of people are buying AMD cards but AMD can't keep up with the demand. so the prices of GPUs go through the roof.
Do people think this is some sort of "get rich quick" kind of thing?


Is Nividia affected as well?

 

Where did I name bitcoin. Mining of all coin types is basically the same. I also didn't say over 1000, I said 500-1000

People have been telling me nvidia is heavily impacted, but I've not seen much evidence of that. Last I checked, Newegg had only gone up like 2 bucks which is in line with changing market prices anyway, UK sellers hadn't changed, someone linked me some Amazon ones that have gone up though and I suppose it stands to reason that if people have run out of AMD cards they'll buy nvidia instead which will generate a shortage there

 

Oh, no no no. Sorry if you thought I was replying to you. I completely agree to all you said. That was more as a reply to this post:

"Crpto-currencies were worth over 1000 dollars per... crypto-dollar/coin/thing they use and used to be easy to "mine." "

 

Should use the reply. Well, it been a long time sence I looked at the thing so really, I could have been overestimating or underestimating. And I did say it used to be easy to mine, because of lower difficulty. Now, you have to have a dedicated machine for it (or be ridiculously lucky with your GPU).

 

So after fitting the new psu in it still wouldnt do anything so i resorted to pulling everything out thats easy to pull out so i ended up pulling out the mainboard battery and putt it back in and now its running again! Still dont know what it caused tho