General computer talk/advice

I have been wondering something
Should I flip my side panels fan to where it blows out not in? My gpu doesn't exactly blow out of the case very well (or at all) and the fan is right above it

(random picture of my old laptop below)

 

One thing im still wondering what happend im the first place so i had to remove that batery?

 

Ooooh guys question time

Does this build work well for beam?

Motherboard: idk yet cuz it has to be compatible with an AMD Ryzen something
Graphics: nvidia GeForce GTX 1060
CPU: Some Ryzen chip, not exactly sure yet
SSD: Intel 600p 512 GB (possibly downsizing)
Hard Drive: No hard drive to start

then my case and fan

 

Get a 240GB SSD and invest the extra money in a better graphics card.

 

has AMD finally matched intel on their ips?

 

Depends but mostly yes

 

It's not so much AMD's CPUs in general as much as it has to do with the Bulldozer architecture. Zen is over 60% faster than Bulldozer in single threaded applications and even faster in multithreaded. My R7 1700 at 3.8GHz laughs at a 7700K and pretty much meets and sometimes exceeds Intel's 6900K.

I made a very similar mistake to the one you're about to make. I went from an FX-6100 to an i5-4690K. I was never happy with it. It ran unbelievably hot clocked above 4.3GHz (enough so to completely overwhelm a Hyper 212 Evo with two fans on it, which is a 140W cooler at that point). I was able to run 3 cars in Beam before system instability, and 5 before the game became completely unplayable. With my R7 1700 (a 65W TDP CPU, btw) overclocked to 3.8GHz, I can't make to go above 60°C even under a synthetic load like AIDA64, I can run an intensive game like PUBG and stream it with zero dropped frames, and I can run so many cars in Beam the game crashes. I have a shot of my Bananabench somewhere, but I'm on vacation and don't have access to my main system.

 

It lives! But the graphics card wont work anymore so maybe thats the problem?

 

Your GPU fans intake from the case not exhaust into case, flipping your side panel will likely air starve them

 

Should I give it a try and see how it turns out? temp wise?

 

Gotcha, I'll definetely consider that

 

my wifi in my laptop is dead. I am using some usb wifi card I found laying around the house and I had to use the usb I made of win10 to fix my other laptop. in other news I got the case for my new pc today (corsair 100r) and it is very nice

 

nah, it'll likely increase temps
The fans on your GPU blow taking air in from the space around them and against the CPU, then depending on if you have a blower style cooler or not, they'll either exhaust that air through the back of the card or just let it swirl around into the case again.
You need good solid flow through the case, typically you have intakes in front of case, sometimes on side. Exhaust to rear/top.

 

To me it just goes all in the case, I kinda want to prove otherwise so I'm going tape up a small grill that the card came with and see if that increases temps a smidge (I don't mind increasing temps because I have only let the card reach 70C max for like 5 secs and keep it commonly in the low 60s so SCIENCE!!! Does the grill-type metal make a difference? let's find out using furmark)

EDIT:
Info: fans sit at 84% at 69C, then go to 85% for 70C. This is basically as fast as I let the fans go so I am surprised how stable the temp is


With the tape on the grill it sits at 69C - 15 min time period ambient temp is 31C
5 Mins In (without tape) - It still sits at 69, I have seen 70C as well as 68C, ambient temp is the same
7 Mins In - Sitting between 69 and 70C (continously changing between the 2)
15 Mins In - still wanting to go to 70C

I conclude that the grill is pointless

 

My racing wheel arrived today! BeamNG.drive took minimal setup to get it working (the bindings), but I should go back and fine tune everything at some point.
ATS works with only the input wizard and a few binding changes, perfect over there.
DiRT Rally works out of the box, but I am absolutely horrible right now, compared to the X360 controller anyways.
The FFB is amazing and it's comfortable. Those paddle shifters are amazing, I haven't used automatic since I got it.

Don't worry, I'll clean it up and finalize the layout later.

 

I have a driving force gt and it works well to and all but i dont really use it because im not good with it and i also play alot of games wich only work with a mouse so i have to put it away often and reconnect it

 

Threw a Core 2 Duo E8400 in the SFF Dell. It's noticeably quicker traversing through Windows 10, booting, installing programs, etc. I wonder how much of that is to do with the actual matching 800MHz DDR2 and not the mix and match set I had in it before.

Just need to finish updating this little thing and throw a small fan on the GT710 (I know, I know, but it was the most powerful thing that would fit in the 25W PCIe LP slot and it's better than the GMA 3100 by a mile and a half). It actually overheats... how? Meh, I'm not gonna question it. Small fan it is.

 

I love my T500RS. However in BeamNG I often open the game with the intention of doing some modding type stuff, the T500RS is absolutely massive and blocks the keyboard completely, so I mostly use the 360 controller. Assetto Corsa is pretty great especially with some point to point tarmac rally style tracks (which you can find on the AC forums).
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On the other hand I am really happy with my I5 2500K. Its getting old but is still doing a decent job. Now that I have given it a little extra voltage it has been stable for a few weeks at 4.4Ghz and the cooling seems to be keeping up despite summer weather. And that is just with a single fan 12cm CPU cooler and 2 case fans (the ones that came free with the £35ish case [one of them is RGB from 2011, so I am now going to enjoy my hipster "I had RGB before it was cool" moment]).

It may be worth mentioning that an R7 1700 is a considerably more expensive CPU as well. So with both generational advancements and the extra 30% it costs you would expect a significant increase to performance. So if you were expecting that top tier (R7,I7) of performance from an I5 you probably bought the wrong product.

If I were to go out and buy a CPU tomorrow it would be a super hard choice to make. I would probably be able to stretch to a 1700x, but I wouldn't be able to stretch to an overclocking I7, as such I would probably go with the AMD, especially since I already own a decent GPU. However if you compare price for price products, such as the R5 1600X vs the I5 7600k the 20% extra single threaded performance (which become even larger when both are overclocked) that Intel offers isn't a bad prospect, even if the AMD destroys it on multi core. Its one of those workload things where it depends on what you need to do. For example BeamNG isn't going to max out a single Intel core with 1 vehicle, so you are better off with more less powerful cores to get more vehicles.

I would probably still go with the AMD 1600X though just because of the multitasking prowess it offers by having 2 extra cores. But I don't think Intel is uncompetitive in that price range when compared to AMD's offerings.

How future proof a single threaded quad core will be though remains to be seen, but considering how CPU's have progressed over the last 10 years I don't really see this generation being the one where an I5 quad core doesn't make sense any more, especially considering how quickly it seems PC gamers tend to change hardware these days, where the average K edition CPU will never be overclocked and taken out of service after 2-3 years only to be replaced with a new CPU that is slower than their old one would have been had they overclocked it

 

I bought that i5 when Devil's Canyon was the new bad boy on the street and Z97 had just come out. Ryzen wasn't even a glimmer in AMD's eye at that point, and I was still "just a gamer". I needed nothing more than an i5, and when I started experimenting with content creation (3d rendering, streaming, editing, etc.) I couldn't afford an i7. So what did I do? I turned the wick up on that i5. I gave it more ram to play with, I gave it faster GPUs, better cooling, and overclocked the absolute snot out of it. And I'll be honest, it held it's own. But the limitations got to me.

Here, now, with Ryzen out, at the price point, Intel's offerings make zero sense to me. Why buy a 7700K when I can have an R7 1700 for the same price, especially when Ryzen is already unlocked, and I don't need the ultra-expensive motherboards to overclock with them. Further more, they have more PCIe lanes than Intel's counterpart, and that particular CPU has twice the cores and twice the threads. That's extremely handy, especially with DX12 titles starting to hit the streets more. With my i5, I had to choose between a GPU, dedicated sound card, and a wifi card, or I could have dual GPU's. If I tried dual GPUs and my soundcard, my system would either refuse to post, or randomly pick between the soundcard and my second GPU. It was nonsense. I hated it.

Even matching price, the 1600X still has all the advantages I listed above. For the last 10 years, Intel's offerings have made sense. I'll admit to that. They were so much faster you'd be stupid to not buy into it. But not anymore. I didn't buy the i5 expecting i7 performance out of it like you stated. That's idiotic and completely wrong. I bought the i5 because it was the best in the price range I could afford, and because I wanted my games to run faster, and have a more stable platform. As time went on, my hatred wasn't towards the speed of the platform, but the limitations it set.

The consumer deserves a "no compromises" experience, just like the enthusiasts already have (well... until Uncle X299 ruined the fun for everyone). Intel refuses to give us that on their affordable mainstream platforms, and it's complete BS. Intel has shoved their head so far up their ass, they've started to gimp features on the enthusiast platform that are present on the mainstream one; QuickSync, RAID 1/10, etc. They've gotten so bad with that, that I've flat out stopped recommending Intel platforms more expensive than an i3 with an H-series chipset.

 

I mostly agree with that. I much prefer AMD's current attitude towards the market than Intel's, mostly cause Intel have proven themselves to be total pricks time and time again over the past few years with them really turning up the douche factor over the past year. Once you get up to expensive consumer/enthusiast chips like the R7 1700 I don't really see any reason to buy Intel unless you *really* need something that only they can offer, which outside of single threaded performance is very very little.

However I still think that within the top of the range I5 price range Intel is still competitive. As I mentioned, I would still chose the AMD chips over the Intel ones, but for the average consumer putting together a computer, compatibility is fairly important (for example, basically all RAM modules running at advertised speeds) and a proven platform is going to reduce uncertainty and that is very desirable to most consumers. The single threaded performance will also have its benefits in software that isn't multithreaded, which may be quite noticeable in opening times of software etc. Of course these days multithreading is an ever rarer issue in most professional productivity software, but the average consumer isn't going to be using professional software. Then there is also the gaming performance side of things, neither CPU is likely to be an issue when it comes to gaming, but the I5 does currently outperform similar Ryzen chips in gaming. If you are building a computer intended for playing competitive games on a 144hz monitor, the I5 is going to be more attractive. Since such a large quantity of consumers are all the next self proclaimed big e-sports hot shots, they aren't willing to settle for second best in that regard even if its unlikely they would be able to tell the difference even side by side.

So I think Intel still has a place in the market, even if it isn't as big a place as it used to be when there was no competition.