General computer talk/advice

Discussion in 'Computer Hardware' started by BlueScreen, Jan 25, 2015.

  1. SixSixSevenSeven

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    an issue that was literally patched within days. I currently run it 1080p max settings, 60fps cap simply as I have 60hz monitor. GTX1060 crippled by being in a laptop. Rock solid 60fps, no dropped frames, not even using 100% of available performance.
     
  2. skodakenner

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    Same with me here it now runs beautifully but at start it wasnt the best
     
  3. PriusRepellent

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    I get an occasional audio bug where a sound never stops repeating, but that is solved by exiting to main menu and going back in. I also have the occasional hiccup in FPS during cutscenes but the gameplay is nice and smooth.
     
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  4. fufsgfen

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    Overclocking surely has changed since times of PIII.

    It seems that I'm hitting limits of cooling for extreme loads, puzzles me a little as Vcore is not that high and I have Thermaltake Macho Rev. B with two fans, maybe it is that Akasa thermal compound (could not source better locally) or intel TIM, still kinda surprising that I'm hitting almost 90C very quickly.
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    Motherboard is not really helping as even I set 1.26v have to put LCC to max and still have some VDroop as well as split second spikes that can be even 1.35v, however those are rare and just a split second, still would like them to stay away or at least not much above 1.4v
    TMPIN4 is VRM.

    CPU can be ingame stable at 5Ghz, but voltages were auto then and that goes to 1.4v which in game with single car can be up to 70C on really heavy map, not a chance to have all cores at 100% with that as it is getting bit too warm then, optimally I would like to stay under 80C

    Puzzling indeed, motherboard is not the best, VRM especially sucks I think.

    Oh and that was only 4.8Ghz on all cores, running Heaven benchmark and Cinebench at same time.

    I might try bit lower voltage, but then again at times it does drop bit more making it bit challenging to lower much without getting random instabilities.

    So maybe I look different motherboard some time in a future, which might end up to water cooler and who knows what...
     
  5. MisterKenneth

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    I want to ask for some opinions and suggestions. Lately, I've been thinking about beefing up my current computer's performance until I can finally afford a gaming desktop, since IRL I don't really make a king's ransom. A lot of the money I'd put toward that goes toward RL stuff like groceries and gas for the car. I'd prefer not to go into too much detail, since I like keeping my personal life, well, personal. So, it's going to take me a while.

    I think what I really need to focus on (according to BeamNG) is the CPU and system memory. Both are underpowered, and I am absolutely certain it effects how games like BeamNG and Cities: Skylines perform on my system. I hope to change that.

    What would be some CPUs and RAM you'd suggest? For CPUs I'd hope to get something with a clockspeed of at least 3 GHz, and something that will work with my system.

    Here's what BeamNG told me about the CPU and RAM. I apologize if I already showed this.
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  6. fufsgfen

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    I'm not sure what kind of upgrade paths you have with your current hardware, it might be that you need new pretty much everything to have more powerful CPU.

    Gaming laptops are kinda challenging subject with limited funds, because at the same money you could get much better desktop.

    Used computer with i7 4790k would probably be one of the good choices, or even one with i7-2500k if one can find such really cheap, people often sell such for low price because they are old, even they do just fine in BeamNG today and probably even better in future.

    GPU is also issue, while BeamNG can run even on iGPU of 6th gen intel, it is still very slow and requires absolutely minimum graphics for good framerate. BeamNG is challenging as visual quality does drop quite a bit when going lower than normal.

    For me it does sounds like you would have best return for investment, if you could hold out upgrade for 1 to 2 years as it might be hardware requirements of BeamNG change during that time.

    If waiting or used is not an option, cheap Ryzen might be lowest cost option to get somewhat ok performance right now and possibly good performance in future, however I really recommend finding used tower with everything in it when going to low cost route, taking time to monitor used computer sale ads, one might get really good bang for a buck and being old means not much, improvements in CPU power for example have been quite small in last 4 years.
     
  7. MisterKenneth

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    I can't really afford towers right now, which is why I'm going to be looking for parts for my laptop instead. I'm positive they won't cost as much as an entire tower will.

    To put things in perspective, I've been wanting to get an entire new system for months now. Money's been tight in my personal life, which is why I put getting a gaming desktop on indefinite hold.
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    I looked around at CPUs on Ebay, and this is what I'm going to ask now. Which of these three should I consider getting to replace the AMD E1-6015 my system currently has?

    AMD Ryzen 5

    AMD Ryzen 7

    Intel I7

    I'm not so sure what to do with the RAM though. Any suggestions on that as well?
     
  8. SixSixSevenSeven

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    None of the above, your laptop CPU isn't replaceable
     
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  9. MisterKenneth

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    Damn it! How is it not replaceable?

    That means I'm still stuck with waiting until I have a crap ton of money to finally afford a gaming desktop. That's going to take a very long time at the current rate, unless I find some way to get that huge sum of money in a short span of time.
     
  10. Bubbleawsome

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    Laptop CPUs are rarely, if ever, replaceable. You could buy an entire new logic board, but that would probably cost nearly as much as a desktop, so not very worth it.

    I’d say the best way to make money is to work. Even McDonald’s can make you enough for a basic but solid gaming computer in about 2 months if you’ve got no other expenses.
     
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  11. SixSixSevenSeven

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    Basically, different CPUs go in different sockets. Ryzen 5 and 7 go in one type of socket and so need one type of motherboard. Intel core i7 goes in a different one (in fact, different generations of i7 go in different ones).
    The AMD E1, isn't even in a socket at all, it's a tiny low end processor that's designed for such cost and size saving that you just solder it straight into the motherboard, you need industrial machinery to replace it and very few CPUs are compatible.


    Your laptop has almost no upgradeable parts whatsoever. You need a new pc. Like I'm sorry, nobody is trying to force you to spend money for no reason, it's simply that the only way you can get a faster PC than you currently have is to buy another one as you can't upgrade yours
     
  12. MisterKenneth

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    It should be evident by me asking for advice in this thread that I'm not really a computer wiz, but I simply do not understand how you can't remove a crappy CPU from a laptop to switch it for a better one. If I've heard it correctly, you can do it with desktops just fine. What makes a laptop so different? Is it because of the crammed space because they're so much thinner than a tower?

    Also, I do work. What I make varies between $150 - $200 every paycheck. It probably wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the fact that the money I make drains faster than a Hummer on a road trip. I said earlier I end up having to invest that money in RL situations that reality throws at me.


    I still can't wrap my head around that. Stuff like this is exactly why I've said I won't ever consider building a PC.

    Well, if I can't upgrade my laptop, I guess the only thing I can do is continue to wait until whenever I can finally afford a new system, and I don't see one in my near future, unless I get lucky and somehow get all of the funds I'd need instantly.
     
  13. SixSixSevenSeven

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    Square peg doesn't fit round hole
     
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  14. mumboking

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    Depending on the size, it could, but I'm just being picky...
     
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  15. fufsgfen

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    Technology kinda is such that one needs to learn lot to be able to build something, kinda like modding in BeamNG, you can't build something without learning how to do it.

    Laptops are build differently from desktops by factories that make them, they solder CPU to mainboard, some even solder memory to mainboard, where as desktops are made so that all major components can be replaced.

    There has been few laptops in ancient times which did actually have cpu in a socket, which you could replace, but most ever built do have pretty much everything soldered in.

    There are some that even advertise replaceable GPU for example (because most of them don't have replaceable parts), like some ASUS ROG models, which cost more than any single person can realistically pay, unless having some high education and really well paying job, but those rarely spend lot of time on forums anyway.

    So replacing whole mainboard might work, if you find one that fits, they are all different sizes and shapes, it varies between each model, even some higher tier variant of same model might have bit different board that is actually using bit different lower part of the covers. Laptops are use once and dispose kind of product, like most phones, tablets etc.

    Desktop is a product which usually can be upgraded and kept running for really long periods of time, change few parts and 10 years is not a problem for a desktop.

    While both run windows, both have cpu, ram and gpu, they are completely different products.

    Look videos from youtube that show how laptop is dismantled / taken parts for cleaning, you will see how it is made and it helps to see how different they are compared to desktops.
    Even replacing fan on some HP models requires taking every screw out of the thing, taking every part out etc. Laptops are PITA most of the time, only good part is that you can carry them easier than desktop, but they suck badly in every other aspect.

    Also it does suck how expensive running something like BeamNG can get, but it is one of the heaviest games to run, however it is in early access and in alpha stage, so when game matures and optimizations start, it should run with much lower hardware requirements, but if you want to run it perfectly right now, $1000 used computer will do it, $1500 or more for new one. $500 might get you 30fps or so.
     
  16. ManfredE3

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    The laptop I use for school died and I need recommendations for a new one. I will be running programs like SolidWorks so I need something with decent specs. Aside from that I’m just looking for typical college student features. Light, durable, not too big, won’t break the bank, etc...
     
  17. fufsgfen

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    Does submitting Blender benchmark scores actually work for anyone? I did try submitting score, but it is not working. Also they have chosen to open default browser which is terribly bad practice. Nobody who cares even bit of keeping computer free of junk is keeping default browser with JS etc. enabled, preferably set default browser calls to go that big void.

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  18. fufsgfen

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    Glitch, I hope...
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    MB is terrible bad at holding voltages steady, but hopefully not that bad, usually remains within 0.2V, with best working LLC setting.
     
  19. The F12 of Maranello

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    I love how people is bitching about Windows 10 is a "spyware" OS while Android, which (literally) steals more personal data than Windows 10, is ignored.
    What a world we're living.
    (p.s. please don't start a flame war okay)
     
  20. fufsgfen

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    Or Google product family in general, that steals a LOT of data.

    Then there are things like fb discord etc.

    Spying in Windows 10 at least is easy to stop, those others require bit more actions.

    I think there is some kind of telemetry even in BeamNG.

    For me Win10 dislike is not so much of spying, but UI and too much automated functionality which can't be turned off.

    Even WinXP was too automated for me and I made UI in that to look like W98 pretty much, same that I have done in Win8 as much as it is possible.

    Drag and drop of folders was pretty much perfect in WinXP with W98 looks, small, efficient, but in Win8 it took registry hacks to get full row select etc disabled, Win10 introduces even more wasted empty space in folder windows etc. Open 10 folders, each in it's own window, copy folder by drag and drop from each to each and which is fastest/less error prone is best. Sadly in these modern ones it is not as fluent, empty space might mean it still selects a folder, even with hacks.

    WinXP was better because of that (actually only with W98 looks) and many other UI related things.

    Prettyness seem to drive today more UI design than functionality, which is sad. Ok for average user maybe it is better to limit to multitasking, but I'm loosing time with such and thus I dislike.

    Now that I think about it, I did actually have W98 customized too, some update introduced some kind of annoying html content to each folder window, had to keep that off. So it can be I'm actually thinking W95/NT4 windows being optimal, guess I'm just too old to appreciate new things.
     
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