I think I'm ready for gaming hardware suggestions.

Discussion in 'Computer Hardware' started by MisterKenneth, Sep 30, 2018.

  1. Deleted member 126452

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    This is just a reply to @Michealflat
    You can buy a super cheap AMD GPU, pretty sure an R7 240 off Ebay will be more than enough and just use it to send the signal to the monitor. That way you can still get Freesync out of your Nvidia card.
     
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  2. Michaelflat

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    wow i think i might do that then :p
     
  3. rottenfitzy

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  4. MisterKenneth

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    Thanks, but once again, I want to find a tower that's already built.


    I'm still wanting opinions about the tower I mentioned here.
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    There's something else that caught my attention about that tower just now. Down in the description, which I completely missed, it said that it can run Cities: Skylines at 60+ FPS.
     
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    4Ghz is not 4Ghz, on that cpu it is like 2Ghz on today's CPUs or something. Also 8 cores is questionable because sharing nature of between them cores.

    They are not mentioning exact CPU model, but it is easy to find, that CPU in PC on sale vs proper gaming CPU:
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    Here it is compared to Ryzen 5 1600 that is 'only' 3.2Ghz and 'only' 6 cores, cost should not be hugely different either:
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    That ad is really avoiding some details and seller is trying to get rid of some junk which he knows is junk.

    GPU in that is awfully short for a 1070, It might be some compact version with very noisy fan, also it has no backplate which pretty much all normal 1070 do have, probably cheapest of the cheap with horrible coil whine too. It could also be that in picture that is gtx1050.

    Note that CPU fan is stock unit which is not very good, noisy and not best at cooling.

    I'm telling you that there probably is much better options around, even old i3-6100 will be much faster in typical games, only most recent and future games benefit from more than 4 threads, but for example ETS2 is very much relying from single core speed and while BeamNG requires much less of that, it still is very important aspect and that is where 8 core FX falls flat:
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    What I did search of those ebay listings most seemed to be pretty much junk, they try to sell old hardware on high price and claim some really easy to run game running some impressive FPS.

    Cities Skylines is one of the games that does not requires much from CPU and almost any CPU can do 60fps in it as long as GPU is fast enough, so they try to create well selling impressions among those who don't know this, they are trying to sell really weak CPU that will struggle with most of the games and they are doing their best to hide that fact.

    For budget gaming, I would recommend something of these CPUs, with Ryzen you would get better value, especially X models and overclocking is way to best performance for the buck:
    i3-6100, i3-8350k, Ryzen 5 1600, Ryzen 5 1500X

    For budget gaming gtx1050Ti is quite good, but if you can play BeamNG without grass for who knows how long into future, Radeon cards likes RX480 8GB are okay too.

    As long as you avoid AMD FX and 2nd gen i3/i5 that seems common in listings, you should be fine. Ryzen 5 1400 is also bit questionable as well as Ryzen 3 as price is not that hugely different AFAIK.
    Either way, even Ryzen 3 is much faster than that "4Ghz 8 core" CPU.
     
  6. rottenfitzy

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    I have a vishera and do NOT reccomend them. If you’re buying new, look at Ryzens/Skylake or newer intels.
     
  7. MisterKenneth

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    Okay. But if the seller is selling garbage, why do they have a 99.7% feedback?

    Is it just those things I need to watch out for? Could I go with getting the tower anyway, and switch the parts for the better ones you'd recommend?

    With how much my money saved is constantly fluctuating, and I'm tired of waiting, I'm cutting my gaming tower budget in half. It was originally no more than $2000, but now I'm putting it at below $1000.
     
  8. fufsgfen

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    If you are willing to swap parts, then you really should consider building one from scratch, it is not much harder than building legos.

    I'm not sure about motherboard, mostly fan connectors etc. should be researched, I don't know AMD stuff, but this should be ok for gaming and should have quality parts where it matters:
    https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HNjtBb

    You really need to have 1500 or so with keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc. Or then you need to find 2nd hand computer or not to have very much gaming capable machine.
     
  9. MisterKenneth

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    There's a reason I'd consider swapping parts. I said it, probably more than once by this point, that I know where I could take the computer to get those parts switched out, though it would cost me. But it would just be a few parts, not a whole bunch of them like it would be with building one.

    Taking in what you're saying, it sounds to me like the only problems with that one tower are its processor, GPU, and cooling.
     
  10. fufsgfen

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    Which also means motherboard and memory :p

    Swapping out motherboard is about same job as swapping out everything, there is no huge difference in time, you still need to disconnect all the cables, GPU, etc.

    Also PSU might need swapping too, depends.

    You can find exact same tower without components by really cheap, so you could get something proper into that shell, if the case is what you would like to have.
     
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    Well, here's some recent developments. I MIGHT be able to get a new system. I emphasize might because currently I'm not 100% sure. It will all depend on my financial situation.

    I threw this together on PCPartPicker, and was wanting to know what you all think?
    https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

    Would this work? And would it run BeamNG and Cities: Skylines without a hitch? I'm also open to suggestions on what all I can do to lower the price too.
     
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    Your link isn't the right one.
     
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    I had a feeling it wasn't. Is this the right one?
    https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dmfTGG

    If that doesn't work either, I'll either list the parts or upload a screenshot.
     
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    Oof have you really chosen an A-series cpu? A Ryzen is much better value. I suggest you to cut the expenses with the peripherals (the keyboard/external hdd) that you can buy later (in fact I have a good pc, but super cheap keyboard/mouse because I used the budget for the tower itself). Focus on the essential parts.
     
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    You should use a Ryzen 5 2600X and a Prime B450-Plus instead. I've learned that B450 motherboards are just simply better than B350s, and as long as you don't absolutely need that RGB lightstrip you're better off buying a Prime model that does anything you want it to anyway.
    That said, they'll release a new generation of processors in one and a half months so maybe you should wait a little longer.
     
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    I chose the A12-9800 because it had the highest GHz speed, and it's cheaper than the Ryzen 7 2700X, which was just behind the A12-9800 and would be my next option, though that would be more money on me, and my budget is already very constricted. Either way I go, both of them sound desirable to me because they're above my 3.5 GHz minimum requirement (3.8 GHz for A12-9800, and 3.7 GHz for Ryzen 7 2700X), which is what is recommended for Cities: Skylines on its Steam Page.

    And if I don't need the external hdd, I can lose it. The only reason I really chose it is because external storage is part of the list, as if the site was subtly asking me to choose one.

    Also I have to get a monitor and keyboard because I don't have any. It'd be different if I did a monitor and keyboard lying around, as I'd use them and get new ones later.
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    Looks I could consider that too. I was expecting the Ryzen 5 2600X to fall below my 3.5 GHz minimum requirement, but the one I found is 3.6 GHz, so no problem there. I wouldn't be able to use the Prime B450-Plus with the original CPU I chose. PCPartPicker deemed them incompatible.

    And are you talking about the 7nm processors?
     
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    the A12-9800 is based on excavator and has a much lower ipc than any zen cpu so even the lowest end zen 1 cpu will outperform it in single and multi thread performance even if it has a much lower clockspeed
     
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    Woah woah woah, GHZ doesn't mean speed, not at all. I had an old Pentium that ran at a whopping 4 GHZ but couldn't push Minecraft. I reccommend looking at userbenchmark.com and comparing Gaming scores for the cpu you intend to get. Again: GHZ does not mean speed. At all. The real measure is it's single and multithreaded scores, both of which are influenced by many other things. GHZ is only a useful measure of speed if you're using a single-core processor.

    Get a Ryzen or an i3-8100, but I'm begging you, ditch that A-series processor.

    A-12: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/SpeedTest/283761/AMD-A12-9800-RADEON-R7-12-COMPUTE-CORES-4C-8G

    Ryzen 7 2700X: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/AMD-Ryzen-7-2700X/Rating/3958
     
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    You have fallen (as the other users here said) in the wrong thought of "Moar GHZ = Moar powah): just think about it, Intel Xeons (that are mainly for servers/workstations) are usually slower (2,5/3,0 Ghz) but outperform the faster cpus due to their high number of cores and their single/multithreaded scores. What you need for a pc is core count and the aforesaid scores, so even the lowest tier Ryzen (R3 1200) is better (and cheaper) than the A12-9800.
     
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