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I6 vs. v8???

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Insanitoid, Dec 10, 2014.

  1. Hati

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    When it comes to any power generator like an engine there's two things that matter to me

    How much fuel it burns and how efficient it is. The more fuel your power generator can burn the more raw energy it can produce, and then you have the matter of efficiency which is how much of that raw energy the device turns into usable power. In the case of a car you're asking for it to be a torque generator. There's no magic bullet when it comes to what type of engine it is and that's because engineers are very clever. If it's a ford engine, though, you can rest assured that everything is far more powerful than it.

    You might end up with an engineering team that doesn't work for Ford getting a 6 cylinder engine efficient enough to produce more usable torque than a large V8 engine, despite the larger amount of fuel burned in the V8 simply because the 8 cylinder engine runs so hot it has a ridiculously low efficiency. As a general rule, if Ford didn't make it then it tends to be well engineered so that you have appropriate cooling and the technology around the engine. That technology is tuned in such a way you can get the best out of the various cylinder configurations so you'll have a 40% efficient V8 engine that produces more power then the 40% efficient V6 engine ... all this assuming cylinder sizes are the same which is another factor... some V8's have smaller combustion chambers than their V6 counterparts so despite the larger amount of cylinders you might not necesserily be using more fuel which means less energy to start with.

    Also you have other factors like the range a piston can move, gearing (arguably far more important) and what the engine does in terms of Revs... and engine inertia. There's no simple answer to this question. Like I said, engineers are clever.
     
  2. garyjpaterson

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    For me, straight 6 all the way. Long bonnet, front axle way up front, engine pushed way back, RWD.
     
  3. SixSixSevenSeven

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    Boxer 6 guy here
     
  4. logoster

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    since this seems to have become a thread about posting your personal engine preference

    american V8
     
  5. BlueScreen

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    Not a big fan of Ford, are you? :p

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    @engine discussion BMW I6 ftw.
     
  6. SixSixSevenSeven

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    The configuration of the cylinders in an engine does not effect torque produced and doesn't directly influence its rpms either (hence not influencing power).

    It simply alters packaging, smoothness of power delivery and balance.

    The same cylinder design used in an i6 then remounted as a boxer 6 will produce the same power.

    Fords common i6 in the 80s and 90s did have more low end torque than their v8, but that was due to changes in the design of the cylinder head, valve timings, rod lengths and crank throws. It wasn't just because the cylinders were arranged in a line rather than a v.
     
  7. logoster

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    FTFY ­­
     
  8. Insanitoid

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    This has turned into a large ongoing thread filled with interesting facts and opinions, mostly opinions it seems. It's great to see how active the community of this game is, meaning it can definitely become the greatest driving simulation out there.

    I still think it would be fun if the in-game Chevy/Ford cross-breed vehicle I6 could have a smidge more torque instead of just pooping out up a not-so-intimidating slope, but I guess that's up to the devs. As for a real life preference I'd love a V-8 in my bronco, but my I6 digs through the mud unlike any of my friends trucks (Except for the 2-Door Cherokee with an LS swap). I've also seen an I6 Volvo survive a clunker bomb (where they put some sort of silicate in the oil pan and run the engine, in an attempt to seize it). It's been my experience that V-8s are fast and I-6 are diggers. (and really anything goes through the mud with a good enough run at it). Thanks for all the (mostly) good reads!!!
     
  9. raiderfan

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    Putting gm in still doesn't make ford engines any better. Lol
     
  10. BlueScreen

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    Yeah, but Ford>GM
    Actually anything>GM.
     
  11. raiderfan

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    Nah when it comes to the powertrain gm is about the best when it comes to power/reliability. In american vehicles anyway.
     
  12. redrobin

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    May I bring up GM's Cross-Injected 350 V8? Which was one of the worst engines to have ever been manufactured by an American car company?

    I actually just looked up a list of America's most reliable cars. 80% of the list was GM.
    Someone kick the stool out from under me. I'd even take a Chrysler product over a GM hunk of crap any day.
     
  13. Potato

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    I certainly can say that chevy at least used to make some damn bulletproof engines.
    Those old big blocks are almost indestructible.
    I'm not so sure about it anymore. Really, if I had to pick between a ford v8 or a chevy v8, I'd probably take a chevy v8.
    I see Ford and Chevy as pretty equal, honestly.
    I actually am starting to see myself start to prefer chevy. They're staying more american, as Ford is trying as hard as they can to shove European styles and methods down our throats. Chevy has kept their large suvs large and american.
    Ford took their Explorer and made it ugly, euro, v6, and...UNIBODY. While the Tahoe stays large, american, v8, and body on frame.
    I mean damn, Chevy kept their Tahoe and Suburban Solid rear axle until 2015. Ford hasn't allowed a stick on the back of their large suv's in almost a decade.
    If I had to pick between an 05 Expedition or an 05 Suburban, I'd take the Suburban.
    Build quality is very debatable between the two. I think ford used to have a better build quality than chevy, in the 80's and 90s. I think starting in the early 2000s chevy reigned a little though. Early 2000s Silverados, Tahoes, and Suburbans were some really good, long lasting cars.
    Mid 2000s-present, it's hard to really decide. I think it depends on what the company is trying to do though. For instance; Impalas from the early 2000s were complete pieces of shit, but as I said above, chevy made some really tough, long lasting trucks. Ford has also had it's fair share of shitty/nice cars in recent years.
     
  14. logoster

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    Hahahahahahaha

    In 2000 maybe

    They are currently the most unreliable brand you could possibly buy


    @potato have fun trying to fit any normal sized adult in the back seat, yeah not happening unless you want them to be uncomfortable

    Sent from the 3rd galaxy via the talks of tapping
     
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  15. Quannix

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    Whenever a most reliable list pops up and it mostly features one company, one of two things are going on. They're either biased/misinformed, or were paid off.
     
  16. raiderfan

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    The whole vehicle maybe but when it comes to the engine and transmission they are far from the most unreliable.
    I'm just going by personal experience though my family has had issues with both ford and Chrysler so some have switched gm trucks and haven't had a single issue with them.
     
  17. Hati

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    Absolutely not. Ford, Fiat and GM deserve to die, I almost take their automotive abominations personally.
     
  18. pf12351

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    Death of Fiat = Death of Ferrari. NO!
     
  19. Insanitoid

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    The most reliable field car I've ever driven is a geo tracker.... 20 yrs old, 10yrs without oil change, 5 yrs without tires. Any ford or chevy or GM for that matter is cracked transfercases, new axles, new motors.. except for the 91 rust bucket xD

    EDIT: HOW TO MAKE A FIELD CAR> FIND CAR ON CRAIGSLIST... Drive it places you shouldn't.
     
  20. raiderfan

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    I hope they die also as long as FCA stays i'll be ok.
     
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