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WIP Beta released Ibishu TraMar 2.0

Miramar, but now worse!

  1. AdamB

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  2. Alex_Farmer557

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    The engine in a real Trabant is a 2 stroke 2 cylinder
    @RELYT2012 made a two stroke motor for the fait one, and it works like a real 2 stroke.
     
  3. AdamB

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    I knew what engine a trabant had
    I just used a pigeon engine because:
    1. it's about the same size (trabant engine is 600cc)
    2. it produces the same HP. (26)
     
  4. Ytrewq

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    I wonder where these cars were sold. Not even sure if there ever was a socialist country with left-side traffic. Or maybe this car is from alternate reality where communists took over the whole world?
     
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    I didn’t doubt that. The two stroke RELYT made starts like a 2 stroke (so it doesn’t start if it conks out)
    --- Post updated ---
    East Germany and Hungary
     
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  6. Ytrewq

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    Didn't they drive on the right there like the rest of continental Europe?
     
  7. AdamB

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    they actually use the left side I believe.
    Doug DeMuro did a video on a trabant and it was left hand drive
     
  8. Alex_Farmer557

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    You watch Doug?

    How about a YugoVet?
     
  9. Ytrewq

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    LHD cars are meant to drive on the RIGHT side of the road
    RHD cars are meant to drive on the LEFT side of the road
    To end this pointless argument, I just wanted to point out that your car is RHD while socialist countries of Europe had LHD cars.
     
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  10. Alex_Farmer557

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    The Miramar is lhd because it’s Japanese
     
  11. RELYT2012

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    Well thank you, I didn't know how much people actually enjoyed it! i'm glad you did though.
     
  12. IvelinV8

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    When Russians "copy" cars they make them better for their road, i.e: tougher suspension, lower powered but able to run on shit gas engines, some are made from thicker steel.
    And FYI: The only thing they copied was looks, dimensions(wheelbase, length, width) are different, engine is different, suspension too.
    They did get some cars from other countries tho-
    After WW2 the first Moskvich was an Opel Kadett, taken as reparation.
    The AZLK-2141(Aleko) was inspired by the Simca 1307. I could explain why and it has nothing to do with engineers being stupid or lazy, just tell me if you are interested.
    The Lada 2101 was licensed from Fiat, but the russians changed nearly everything- engine(more advanced OHC vs OHV), suspension(stronger), structure(bracing of bonnet and trunk, made of thicker steel), brakes(rear drums as 60s discs weren't much better, but they did make the brake system a 2-circuit one) and other changes.
    Here are 2 articles:
    http://totalcarmagazine.com/classicandbeloved/2014/04/29/fiat_124_vs_lada_shiguli_1200/
    https://jalopnik.com/the-first-lada-was-way-more-than-just-a-re-badged-fiat-1722260844
    the totalcarmagazine one says this:
    "Now, let's have a closer look on their technical solutions. The Lada is so extremely different from the Fiat at this level that we might think some aliens from outer space, who never saw the blueprints, did the copying of the 124."
    And that when they had license to copy.
    Why do people still think USSR copied western cars when there is proof of the opposite is beyond me.
     
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    That's pretty funny
    keep up the good jokes
     
  14. IvelinV8

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    That's all you have to say?
    Well, it shows how much of my comment you read.
    A normal western car has no chance surviving 60's USSR roads.
    Just because they made their cars survive that doesn't make them any worse.
    The Ladas' biggest problem is the carb - it's a popular mod and it has been "documented" to improve reliability and performance. And because of the low compression the engine can be turbo'ed.
    1200cc 200+hp on stock internals: https://www.driftworks.com/forum/threads/turbotoffi-low-budget-drifter-have-fun-lada-1200l.97900/
    1700cc 600hp Niva vs 680hp GT-R:
     
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    I like how you assume all of the west has/had beautifully paved roads. A lot of the roads were and still are in really bad condition. The reason a normal Western car wouldn't have survived the 60's USSR roads is because no one there could get reasonable access to the parts needed to keep them running, not because they were weaker than a Lada or other Soviet car. If they changed parts in the design to make it survive better, maybe, just maybe, they should've used a different design in the first place rather than bastardizing an older design that wasn't as suited to bad roads.

    If we're gonna continue this, let's bring to the general car discussion thread, we've wasted enough space in this thread already.
     
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  16. IvelinV8

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    That's what I said- they used their own design and just made them look like western cars from the outside.
    Do you even read my comments?
     
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    Well, not really convincing.

    The Miramar sits in the same category as the Wartburg and Fiat 124 Derivatives or the Moskvich. All of these engines are normal engines, adapted to low fuel qualities by lowering Compression.

    The Wartburg was powered by a 1 liter, 3 cyl 2 Stroker, ca. 50hp and 150kph Top Speed.
    Ladas based on FIAT 124 were powered by 1.2 to 1.5 liter SOHC l4s, 50 to 75 HP
    The Moskvich 408 had a 1.4 OHV l4 with 50hp

    All of these Engines had Red-Lines at around 5000. All were Water Cooled.
    All of these had 4 Long Geared Manual Speeds.

    The Cars were heavier, and rode higher on softer Springs, so Handling isn't very good, but they can take Bumps.
    Of course they had rear Seats and Bumpers. They weren't sports vehicles. Bumpers are necessary in 3rd World Countries.
    They also were built using much thicker Steel Sheeting for several reasons, simple Production, use of lower Grade Steels etc, increased Toughness.

    So if you want to make a Good Representation of what a License Built Soviet Miramar would look like:

    1. Increase Bodyweight by 15-25%, due to thicker Steel.
    2. Increase Body Sturdiness by the same amount. Ladas are tough as Hell, as long as you keep em Dry. Then they rust.
    3. Give it more Ride Height, softer Springs and very little Fast Dampening, Rebound as well as Bump.
    4. This is the Torque Curve for a Wartburg 312, 3 Cyl 2 Stroke.



    And this for the Moskvich 408 OHV Engine

     
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  18. Datguy611

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    help my car won t start
     
  19. AdamB

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    did you try clearing cache?
     
  20. fivedollarlamp

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    putin aproves.
     
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