Low performance on a High end PC

Ya seriously, he won't give up LOL.


The argument was never about FPS, if the physics calculations are optimized then OF COURSE fps will go up especially on setups where the CPU is bottleneck, aka most people here including me.

damn leave the poor horse alone, hes dead.

 

That's a sweet increase. But yeah, some people are getting around 20 normal fps. At that point physics framerate drops and it gets wierd.

 

As long as I can handle a couple more cars and get above 30 fps, I'll be happy. Plus I'm getting an upgrade for my birthday anyways so I should definitely be able to play BeamNG beautifully

 

wish i got computer / car parts for my birthday, shit even christmas would be nice LOL

 

The FPS will not go up "especially on setups where the CPU is bottleneck", the FPS will only go up if you are CPU bound. You will not see a frame rate improvement if you are GPU bound, you may be able to run more cars are the same FPS, but your FPS will not go up.

 

^ u srs right now or u just trollin me ?

 

has anyone actually answered as to why he's getting low fps?

 

I'm right.

The CPU and the GPU work in parallel not sequentially so if your GPU is the last to finish working on a frame having the CPU's work go faster doesn't make the fame finish any sooner.

For example (and keep in mind my numbers are just estimates and this is very simplified and averaged):

You are getting 30 FPS (~33.3 milliseconds per frame). You have a fast CPU and a slow GPU. You are GPU bound so the GPU is taking 33.3ms to render each frame.

You have a fast CPU and you're not running too many cars so maybe the CPU is taking 20ms calculate each frame. This means the CPU is waiting (doing nothing) for 13ms each frame for the GPU to finish rendering the frame.

If you speed up the physics, maybe the CPU only needs 17ms to calculate each frame, but your frame rate won't go up because the GPU is still taking 33.3ms to render each frame. Now the CPU is waiting 16ms per frame for the GPU.


You could use the extra CPU time to run more cars. Say adding each car adds 8ms to the time it takes the CPU to calculate each frame:

When the CPU was taking 20ms to calculate each frame adding a car (8ms) would mean the CPU takes 28ms to calculate each frame, that's under the GPU's 33.3ms so your frame rate won't change. If you add another the CPU is up to 36ms so now you're CPU bound and the GPU is waiting 3ms for CPU to finish and now you're running at ~27 FPS.

But, if you speed up the physics and add 2 cars (17ms + 8ms + 8ms), now the CPU takes 33ms per frame, this is under the GPU's 33.3ms so your FPS won't change (the physics boost "gave" you a "free" car, but not a better FPS).

Make sense? I know this wasn't the best laid out example, but it gets my point across.

 

maybe in normal games, but this isnt a normal game, this is BeamNG.Drive, which rely's on your cpu FAR more than your gpu

and if the above was correct, gabester would not have seen an fps increase at all, nor would estama, so your logic is VERY VERY invalid

 

No, your logic is wrong. Read my post again and you'll get what I'm saying.

Everybody is seeing FPS improvements because they are CPU bound (the opposite of my main example). With the physics improvements, if you are CPU bound you get better FPS, if you are GPU bound you get the same FPS, but you may be able to run more cars.

 

stop contradicting yourself -_-

and also, your logic is still invalid: "but you may be able to run more cars." requires that you get higher fps then you would usually if you couldnt run that many before at a playable fps, other

and as for contradicting yourself:

right there, you're saying if the cpu is the problem, you will not see fps increase, but in your above post, your saying it WILL increase fps (and it will, but its still contradiction)

the fps WILL go up, especially on setups where the cpu is the bottleneck, so please, learn to logic before making inaccurate and misinformed statements, as well as before trying to logic

 

Neither of you are right. By logic, you shouldn't see any fps increase. You should be GPU bound, and not see any improvement. However, you will be able to run more cars because beyond a certain point, the CPU will be the bottleneck again. However, because of reduced CPU load and other optimizations, there will be a slight boost to graphical fps too.

 

why are you saying the same thing as I said but in an unnecessary long explanation trying to convince me the same point I was already making, u gotta be joking


You're saying if you're "GPU Bound" increase in CPU performance won't help FPS.

I'm saying if your GPU is a bottle neck then increase in CPU performance won't help FPS.


and vice god damn versa.


how are you arguing with me about this LOL we are saying the same shit, which is why i said the first time, this update would probably be most beneficial to people who could use a better CPU in their setup as their graphics card isn't the bottle neck.


fuckkk

 

well see about that, once the "race" update is out, i have a laptop which has a horrible horribly bad cpu (amd e-300 once the "race" update comes out, ill look at the fps improvement, if there is 0 fps improvement, than actual logic wins(which is very very very unlikely), if i see a fps improvement, then gabester's/estama's logic wins(which is the most likely course of winning, considering that estama and tdev MADE the physics engine, not us, therefor we wouldn't know EXACTLY how it works) and if someone with a GPU bottleneck and not a cpu gets an fps improvement, then my logic wins, (which is second most likely))

(also, i'm still correct on the contradiction part, he CLEARLY contradicted himself)

 

You're confused, I didn't contradict myself, I was quoting Singh336, what's why part of my post was in quotes. And you took what I said out of context, I said:

(hint, the part in quotes was written Singh336) Please don't take my posts out of context and skew them. Also read below and the second post I'm quoting here.

My first post was in response to you saying, "if the physics calculations are optimized then OF COURSE fps will go up especially on setups where the CPU is bottleneck", it's not especially, it's only if you are CPU bound will your FPS go up.

But most people are CPU bound, so they will see a FPS boost. I'm not sure what you are saying. What did I say what was wrong? I genuinely would like to know.

 

oh my god give me a break, you knew what I meant the whole time you just want to get caught up on me saying "especially" instead of "ONLY" like it matters.

smh whatever say / do what you want

 

Look, just because you misunderstood me there's no need to get all defensive. I didn't start with a long explanation, I just said:

To me it was a perfectly clear, quick correction/clarification as many people don't seam to understand what the physics boost will do. I actually had no intention of getting you "caught", I just made a small clarification as using "especially" instead of "only" are the types of things that have got this physics boost to have such confusion around it.

 

okokokok lets move forward and agree to disagree to agree

 

I use Catalyst 14.4 Beta. Better.

 

Wtf are you quoting? I've just checked and the only post I've made in this thread has absolutely bugger all to do with catalyst. Congrats, bumped an old thread to reply to an even older post with a reply that makes no sense.