Taking steps: please remind me why AMD and this game don't mix well

Depends on the nature of whine.

Fan going full speed under load (due to throttling) is entirely normal. Some large coolers are pretty loud, too

On the other hand, shot fan bearings causing "moaning" when the system is cold is less than ideal.

 

Yeah, but coil whine is entirely different, it's very high pitch piercing squeal, some motherboards do that too, some PSU can have it, with cheaper GPUs way to get price down is to use lower cost components, that whine because of way they are made, forgot what it was called that did cost more and had less prone to whine.

Recent designs are perhaps less prone than old ones as power usage has gone down quite a bit, but it was much more complex than that really.

Gigabyte Windforce has three fans, I have custom fan curve so that GPU temp does not go much above 50C even when at full load, there is wind noise at full load, but it is not high pitched or very loud at all, normal usage fans stay below 1500rpm or so, while GPU temp does not go much over 40C, it is really nice, but quite big.

I find that smaller coolers tend to be noisy buggers, 2 fan 1050Ti was actually making more noise than this 3 fan 1080, but no any coil whine under normal use. 2000fps gives little, but it's still tolerable low level, nothing like old 8800GTS which was really horrible.

I think that 8800GTS used close to same amount of power than 1080, can't remember so well. Anyway probably whine situation is better today than what it used to be at old days, but I know I'm allergic to coil whine, going to avoid that like a plague

 

Oh, sorry, I now realize you were talking about coil whine. My bad!

 

4 Hours... If those prices are for real, I think is the first nail into the Intel's coffin.


And the best!, I don't need to change motherboard!!

 

Can your motherboard handle the wattage? I guess that comes up only for top end models.

Hmm, I might get swapped 8086k and motherboard to 3700X and motherboard if prices are real and at least in theory that 3700X should be faster.

I can see why PR wants that top of the line model, that thing should be best in BeamNG if IPC is at 8th gen intel level, if it is better than that, then it's even faster.

Buying 2700X or 2600X right now might not be best possible choice, considering it is likely investing to old tech, probably like 8th gen intel I bought, last of the line where CPU evolution was halted for long. I hope those new Ryzens really are that fast as rumors claim as that certainly would kickstart new era of increasing CPU speeds.

Between 4th gen intel and 8th gen intel there was not much gains, 2 cores were added and that was pretty much that, Ryzen and 3xxx series Ryzen appear to have considerable performance increases though and are offering some solution to CPU bottleneck that has been prevented 4K and bigger resolutions for a while.

Software is also moving to multithreaded so finally we are going to see new possibilities for developers.

 

I don't know, that's stands on ASRock website about my motherboard:

I don't know what a Ridge is, (pinnacle Summit and Raven... I do not know about computers that much ! lol

Well I found that:


So if supports the 2700x with 105W it will support the new 3600x with 95W, right?

 

Should be, there probably is Bios update dropping for 3600x support though, but surely should work with 3600x what comes to power. That 135W model is mostly what makes me wonder if MB can handle it as that is bit of increase.

Quite lot of z270 Intel boards had terrible VRMs, not sure if AMD boards have gone trough such phase where manufacturers made VRM bit too cheaply. My Z170 board VRM is such that at full load of CPU all cores VRM heatsink is luke warm, temp shows 40C at highest, so it is bit amusing that newer models have had so much issues and so much higher temps at idle than what I have on load. Idle temp of VRM is something like 23C, so that is quite bad evolution.

If AMD boards are better in this regard, then that is also going to help get more sales. Maybe AMD offered something to MB makers to do such coup

Anyway upgrading is taking quite bit of research, one needs to check all these things to actually know what one gets.

 

How can I know how good/bad is the VRM on my motherboard?, on the official website looks appealing (if that's the VRM! lol)

 

Mostly by searching for a review where they take time to measure temps of VRM and also show Vdroop, there really is not knowing as some manufacturers are known to put even fake phases there so it looks like beefy, but is really terrible instead.

 

My motherboard is fine, I think I would have no issues with the 3600x as soon they get support by updating BIOS. Let's wait for price, hope being the 220€ or better.

 

One more time, here's what I have worked out, hope to start ordering later today, going to look for refurbs on better multi-fan GPUs since a $210 dual-fan 1060 made in Macau (and apparently prone to coil whine) sounds a bit untrustworthy to me, but I may just have to go for it.

AMD Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6GHz CPU

MSI B450 Tomahawk motherboard

G.Skill Aegis 2x8GB DDR4-3000 RAM (actually cheaper than any 2667 we could find on MSI's QVL)

HP EX900 250GB SSD (actually cheaper than any 500GB non-M.2 we could find)

Zotac GeForce GTX 1060 6GB (two fans but apparently prone to coil whine, not sure I trust it)

Cougar MX330 (more USB ports than the Deepcool Tesseract which I didn't think had enough)

SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified (SeaSonic build quality doesn't seem to be the best, but they do seem to work, people seem to like them, and the test results are absurdly good)

Asus DRW-24D5MT DVD/CD writer (person I'm sharing this with wants it for their work)

Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit (I don't trust Cortana at all, but it's cheaper than any Win 7 these days and the mobo isn't listed for Win 8)

Dell SE2417HG 23.6" 1080p 60Hz monitor (probably not very good, but it's all we can afford).

I would love to upgrade the GPU and monitor, however this build is already up to $1,033.03 even before you get into the absurd cost of having anything shipped to Alaska and the person I'm working with is periodically threatening to buy some inferior prebuilt for about $670 which, unless I miss my guess, will struggle to run Beam and will probably barf its guts out trying to record it. That cost is also without a CPU cooler and without getting any case fans to replace the one probably-garbage fan that comes with the case.

Hopefully, our state legislators will stop derping around and work on giving us back the PFD money they've raided from us over the last 3 years; with that three grand I could upgrade the GPU, get more cooling, and still have some good money left over for my car.

 

I think that should work out and given the limits of funds I'm not sure if you can get much more for the money. Especially considering imminent threat of inferior prebuilt greeting you at the desk any moment, it might be fine to just bite the bullet and get thing ordered.

You can always swap parts later, selling old ones so costs to upgrade won't be insane.

 

Alright, ordering is in progress. Thank you so much for your help, guys.

Keep watching over the next couple of months for the arrival of a new BeamNG clean-driving video series, Mom's Car vs. Mulholland (working title) - the series where I review vehicle designs on the winding backroads of BeamNG, where greedy property developers can't spoil the fun!

(Of course, this will depend on me being able to drive worth anything, which is a big depend. Specifically, I can't drive manual w/ clutch in a video game to save my life. I've had a G27 for several years and I still have Gran Turismo 6, so I suppose I should start practicing now...)

(I'm also planning my mod downloads as we speak. So far the list is very short, being limited to 1. Dry Rock Island and see if I can get it to run properly, because it looks like it might have a few pass & rally roads that I could use, and also because it hurts me inside when video games shed content mid-lifecycle, Ye Olde Gridmappe, because it hurts me inside when video games shed content mid-lifecycle, and any car mod made by @NinetyNine! that still works in 0.15, because they are the closest to dev-quality I've ever heard of and are very lore-friendly as far as I can tell. I've got this terrible annoying feeling that I'm forgetting one, but I suppose I'll have time to remember it later.)

(I may also attempt once more to play World of Tanks, i.e. the most obnoxious BS pay-to-win game in the world, and Minecraft, finally, after 8 years of waiting and watching Microsoft and twelve-year-olds ruin it.)

By any chance, does anyone know what to look for in a good thermal paste?

 

I don't know much about thermal paste, I'd guess just whatever has good reviews. I doesn't make as huge of a difference, and the stuff on the stock AMD cooler should be fine if that's all you're using. I used the stock thermal paste from my Intel heat sink on an aftermarket cooler for 3 years, and after putting some more expensive stuff on it I can't say I notice a difference.

 

Wow, the intel vs amd match has gone from being balanced to being a total farce. Those new Ryzens may just make me upgrade. Plus, AM4...... wow, no annoying chipset changes... AMD CPUs just keep getting better and better.

Anyways, I have a single fan EVGA 1060 6gb and it’s totally fine. @fufsgfen ‘s advice is correct about there being a difference, but it is hardly noticable in day-to-day use.

 

Noctua NT-LM1 or whatever that was called, it is not the best, but it is low cost solution that does enough good job.

I guess this is the source to look when searching for thermal paste information, first one has 36 products tested, second one has 85 products tested, you will likely find what you need from there:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/thermal-paste-performance-benchmark,3616.html
https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/thermal-paste-comparison,review-33969.html

 

Ryzen 2xxx processor does just fine for this game, don't let folks tell you any different. The old FX processors were atrocious.
GTX 1060 6gb or Radeon RX 480/580 8gb will be just fine also and are mostly equal, trading blows. 590 is also an option but more expensive. Used 1070 or 1070ti is also something to consider, as are used 480/580 cards with 8gb of VRAM.
16GB of system RAM is to be considered optimal. More is not required until you get into content creation. Make sure it's Samsung B-die memory (there's a samsung b-die finder out there on the internet, and many reference to it out there, look it up). Ryzen loves and works best with Samsung B-die memory.
FX and original Phenom (not Phenom II) processors stank at release and were rather lack-luster. Phenom II held out a long time, however, and only it's 128-bit FPU's and lack of newer instruction sets caused it to be outmoded and even then, only in AI or physics-heavy games. Any intel 3.5ghz processor of 4xxx generation or newer, or any 8xxx generation processor, or any k-series of 4xxx and newer will run this game fine in addition to ANY Ryzen processor. So the choice is yours, used or new markets, there's plenty of choices. You don't NEED a recent intel system unless you're pushing a 120~144hz or higher monitor and going for the highest FPS.

My several year old (4+) 4790k @ 4.4ghz with it's delidding and liquid metal do just dandy even in this day and age. No need to upgrade, though I do saturate it's quad-core design now and then & I've already maxed out the RAM at 32gb of 2400mhz cl11 variety installed. Fast memory makes a lot of difference on physics calculations (but beyond 2933~3200mhz for new DDR4, there is somewhat diminishing returns VS the cost increase).

THERMAL GRIZZLY is the name of one of the best non-conductive pastes out there. It doesn't get much better than that. I have liquid metal here, which IS conductive, so great care must be exercised in it's use, so go with Thermal Grizzly. Just type that name in to Amazon and you should find it.
Ryzen processors don't require 100$ cooling. A 40~50$ cooler is the best I would pay for on that, that's IF it doesn't come with a stock cooler. Noctua and Phanteks make great stuff with Noctua being slightly better performing (not that it matters on 2xxx Ryzen at all) but pricier, but Phanteks being better in looks department.

So do enjoy when you get your new system, and try to buy an ASUS motherboard if you can, there's a darn good reason they have a majority market share of the do-it-yourself sector!

 

That 4790K of yours is faster or equally fast with any Ryzen 2XXX in this game when using single car, until that Ryzen is overclocked of course.

It might be old, but it is still fast, especially with that overclock.

Where you need that speed is video recording, which OP wanted to do, only 2600X, 2700X etc. fastest clock speed Ryzens cope with that at Italy.

So it is bit untrue that only for high fps you would need such single core performance, video recording at 60fps will be pushing stock clocked 2600X and 2700X to limits, it should do it, but at least with overclock it will.

To have more cars than one while recording video, dynamic reflections on, now there single core requirement did go up again, so many cores are difficult to get utilized in such situation if single is not enough fast.
There is what Ryzen 3XXX is better at with higher clock speeds it can compete better with Intel, while providing more threads and that with lower price.

If you just want to use one vehicle, not to record video and are okay with normal details and without dynamic reflections, well anything really works for that, even lower end Ryzens like Ryzen 3 etc. Might do fine with lower details.

So it very much depends from intended use. Use which OP want to do is not happening with any Ryzen though, that requires fastest clock speed models.