Update Speculation thread

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by crazikyle, Jan 26, 2016.

  1. NGAP NSO Shotgun Chuck

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    I think, when the Moonhawk gets remastered, LeGran should be a trim level for it with even softer suspension, fancy hubcaps, a vinyl or half-vinyl top, and silly-looking opera windows. Since the devs have shown via the incoming LeGran wagon that they are now willing to include silhouette-changing bodystyles as vanilla content, the sedans, wagons, and utes that AR162b once made could all have the potential to reappear here.
     
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  2. devilboy662

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    Bruckell as a whole has recived basically no attention (except bug fixes and small changes) from the devs since the LeGran was added, basically every other brand has had changes to the cars in game.
     
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  3. NGAP NSO Shotgun Chuck

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    I think, when the Moonhawk gets remastered, LeGran should be a trim level for it with even softer suspension, fancy hubcaps, a vinyl or half-vinyl top, and silly-looking opera windows. Since the devs have shown via the incoming LeGran wagon that they are now willing to include silhouette-changing bodystyles as vanilla content, the sedans, wagons, and utes that AR162b once made could all have the potential to reappear here.
     
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  4. CaptainZoll

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    as i've said before, i also hope the facelift sport configs on the moonhawk get whittled down to one pathetically slow, tacky appearance package, akin to a mustang ii king cobra or pontiac trans am,
    I also wonder if they plan to make a king cobra/firebird skin with the "hawk" on the hood, like the powerglow skin has.
    as for the rest of the facelift trims, i wouln't be surprised if they intend to replace the sport configs with some kind of "personal luxury coupes", perhaps even named "legran"
     
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  5. YellowRusty

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    I'm on board with the idea of the facelifted Moonhawk being strangled by emissions control devices, and the appearance packages getting louder and tackier (that was sort of the case for every American performance car in those hopeless years), and even the Moonhawk getting a vinyl top, though I'd hope for a full top. The hawk decal on the hood would be another great thing to have.

    What I'm not so sure about is trying to tie the Moonhawk to the Legran via a special trim of the Moonhawk. There's an awful lot that seperates the Moonhawk from the Legran - the powertrain layout, the target market, the dimensions of the car, the number of doors, etc. It strikes me as really unlikely that a trim of a seventies performance coupe, even one with personal luxury options, could become the name of a pedestrian commuter sedan, even in the increasingly desperate early eighties.

    But nothing is really as significant as the fact that sometime between 1978 and 1984, Bruckell's logo changed. When a company undergoes a rebranding that severe, it usually indicates some sort of major shift in marketing strategy, some reinvention of the corporate identity. Things like trims and even models (barring especially storied nameplates) don't generally survive shakeups like that.

    I really do think that the only way they'll ever be tied together will be if a vehicle produced between the end of Moonhawk production and the start of Legran production surfaces.



    If/when it does, I imagine it would be something like the second-gen 1980 Dodge Diplomat, with a tall, narrow grille like the Legran's emerging from an lower, wider grille like the Moonhawk's. That would do a lot to make the necessary bridging of styling. Come to think of it, that's actually not far off from what AR162b originally did to facelift the Moonhawk, but I can't see the same bodystyle lasting all the way to say, 1983 on a passenger car body.

    I do think the eventual appearance of a late seventies/early eighties RWD american sedan suitable for police work would be a really cool thing to have in-game, but that's a project that should probably wait a while until other, more pressing archetypes are filled.
     
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  6. 88c900t

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    I think the moonhawk could use a middle engine option, because 250ci and 3
    There was proof they're doing a wagon model?

    It would make a great basis for a minivan, especially if AWD gets added.

    Backdated, boxier version of the Grand Marshal? 84-90 with either a carb or throttle body injection and perhaps a 3 speed auto instead of 4.

    I think the moonhawk could use a middle engine option, because 250ci and 378ci is a big gulf in engine sizes.
     
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  7. NGAP NSO Shotgun Chuck

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    Oh, that's the other thing I forgot.

    Except for the Special trim being pre-facelift only, the Moonhawk lineup currently contains no acknowledgement of emissions standards changing during its run. A 1973 has the same underpowered V8 as a 1978, and a 1978 has the same overpowered I6 as a 1973.

    Having the engine outputs decrease as the years go on would go a long way to making the Moonhawk lineup more authentic.

    As to why I thought LeGran should start off as a Moonhawk trim, I was mostly going off how sometimes a model in the late 1970s or early 1980s would have started as a trim level (or something like it) before that. The Chevrolet Malibu, for example, spent its first three generations as a trim level of Chevelle, until the entire Chevelle range was renamed to Malibu during the downsizing rush of the late 1970s. It then went dormant for nearly 15 years before resurfacing as a nothing-special FWD sedan, which it remains to this day. The Chevrolet Caprice started as an upscale variant of the Impala, but then in the 1970s and 1980s it slowly took over as Chevrolet's main full-size competitor until the Impala was discontinued completely in 1985. (The Impala nameplate lasted longer in the end, but on a car having little to do with the original form of either.)

    Now granted, that's just two examples, but I only looked at one brand from one manufacturer. Unless I'm mistaken, a lot of nameplate shuffling went on during the Great Downsize, and since, unless I'm mistaken, the Moonhawk and LeGran are both mid-size by the standards of their decades...

    The engine sizes are another thing; how does the Moonhawk have only one size of I6 and one size of V8? Especially a V8 that's stuck in the middle somewhere between a small-block and a big-block (AFAIK only Chrysler had an engine like that during the 1970s).
     
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  8. Agent_Y

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    The Moonhawk also needs a proper police version apart from the Detective, with a skin, push bars (both front and rear for variety), antenna, spotlights and maybe a unique light bar inspired by the era it's from, maybe it could even get flashing turn signals when the light bar is on like the car haulers now have. And obviously the facelift is lacking changes compared to the pre-facelift in this car, I hope they change this too.
     
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  9. Harkin Labs Gaming

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    That wouldn't work imo because police cars are usually sedans. If we got a sedan bodystyle, I would agree that it definitely needs a police config with all of the extras present on the other police cars.
     
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  10. Agent_Y

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    By this logic the 200BX police config would have to be deleted because it's a coupe. It would be cool to have a Moonhawk sedan though, I can imagine that in real life it would be an option, it's not a muscle or a pony car so it doesn't make sense to restrict it to the 2 door option only imo
     
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  11. ManfredE3

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    When I mentioned referencing the Moonhawk with LeGran trim levels I didn't mean the Moonhawk lineup should turn into the LeGran, just that they should feel like cars from the same manufacturer and relatively close in model year. Maybe share a special edition nameplate or something, have similar structure in offerings, etc...

    As I mentioned, the LeGran's transfer case is one very small step towards a possible RWD platform distant cousin (yes I know a longitudinal V8 FR car would share almost nothing with the LeGran, I'm just saying the suggestion is there); that would be a great later gen Moonhawk. I was taking inspiration from the Cutlass, which was on the FR A-Body platform and in '73-'77 is a Moonhawk counterpart, and that nameplate later got split into both the FF A-Body (LeGran counterpart) and at the same time an FR A/G-Body
     
  12. Harkin Labs Gaming

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    The 200BX police car shouldn't exist because it is highly unrealistic. Not many US police departments use cars from foreign brands and almost none use 2 door cars.
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    Also having a non-factory turbocharger does not make sense because police agencies keep their cars as close to stock as possible for reliability reasons.
     
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  13. Agent_Y

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    I wouldn't like it to be removed, it's cool to have a pretty fast Japanese sports car in a police force of a tiny town, it just adds some sort of character to Firwood, along with the different liveries from different eras
     
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  14. Franz027

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    So, could you tell me, politely, and not impolitely, how can i see how you find these things?
    Thank you
     
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  15. KrukasKlep

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    Eh just plop a lightbar on the legan and make a police config out of it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Just like an older car for belasco
     
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  16. Harkin Labs Gaming

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    I don't think it should be removed either, I am just saying that it shouldn't become the norm. Oddball police cars are great, but only if it isn't common.
     
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  17. urbanestdog45

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    perhaps the 200BX was some tuner’s impounded car, which could explain the aftermarket turbo situation. they then just put their own livery on the car and used it as some show car or something? I think there was another car IRL that got the same treatment, which is where I get my idea from.
     
  18. ManfredE3

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    Impound cars can end up as undercover units, I'm not aware of any department that uses them as patrol cars though
     
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  19. united.

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    what cars do you want in beamng? im curious
     
  20. EruptionTyphlosion

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    I know a couple agencies have used impounded vehicles as marked/unmarked patrol vehicles, and as community relations cars. There is somewhat of a correlation with low department funding and higher likelihood to use an impounded vehicle for patrol use from what I've seen.
     
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