Update Speculation thread

Hopper engines (plus the Gavril 4.5, 5.5 and 6.9 V8 swaps plus some Ibishu Inline-4/-6 diesel engines for agricultural use) can be reserved for a Pick-Up variant of the Hopper. The engines of the Covet and Pessima models are a bit more refined, so (along with an Inline-4 diesel) they can also be used for a light Ibishu Pick-Up Truck, which spends the largest part of its time on paved roads.

 

Light trucks generally did not get DOHC i4s, those would be reserved for sportier vehicles. Instead, they got slightly larger displacement OHV 4 bangers. And sometimes SOHC V6s

 

Very interesting piece of info you wrote here.
So the Hopper engines, being OHVs, are just fine for a light truck (mainly the 2.5 Inline-4 because the 4.0 Inline-6 might not be that good for packaging in the light Pick-Up, but we never know). An SOHC V6 is something we've never had in a BeamNG car before (the Ibishu 2.7 and the Bruckell Bastion 3.5 V6s are Twin-DOHCs and the 80s/90s Bruckell V6s are OHVs, I believe) so it would also be interesting to see it as company for the 2.5 Inline-4. Plus an Inline-4 diesel can make the light truck and the Hopper a bit more of workhorses.

 

It may or may not do so but the needs are still completely different. Even a compact pickup truck will be larger and heavier than a compact car, has a much larger cargo capacity, and may even be used to tow a small trailer. Thus, rather than midrange or high-end power, the engine needs to deliver strong low-end torque along with good durability and low maintenance costs. The Hopper's primitive, low-revving engines are a much better fit than the smaller engines of Ibishu's passenger cars, which love to be wound out.

 

I tip on an Plugin hybrid as this car strongly reminds me of an Porsche 918 crossed with an McLaren P1/speedtail

https://all-auto.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Porsche-918-Spyder-3-1.jpg

 

The devs stated a hybrid isn't coming any time soon since it's a nightmare to code

 

You're right, the more I think of it the more I realize that the Hopper engines are a perfect fit for the compact Pick-Up truck. They have a simple structure suitable for easy maintenance (Inline OHVs, can't be any simpler than this), they have a relatively flat torque band for getting up and going and they're also quite reliable (well, unless you overrev them all the time because they don't feature a rev limiter as standard - and that's essentially their only omission, along with an Ultra High-Performance Radiator).
And, as I've said a few times before in this topic ), a large Inline-4 diesel can be good company.

 

If it isn’t related to a teaser or speculation, then don’t post it. I know a lot of people will rant on this post.

 

I think if the devs were to add a 90s Ibishu pickup, they'd just take the easier route and base it directly off the hopper, and make some mashup of a jeep gladiator/comanche and the J75 land cruiser. alternatively, a miramar coupe utility would keep out of the time period of the pigeon and D-series.
either way, I don't see either of these coming until these cars get their respective remaster and content pass.

on an unrelated note, i'm still quite baffled by the 1.3 I4 in the pigeon and wigeon. it's currently the only engine in the game to not have a stock vehicle that uses it.
it's on the lower end for size, but it's possible they're going to put it as-is in the covet.
otherwise, it's still interesting that the material for it is ibishu_engine_small rather than the pigeon-engine material used by the stock I3, suggesting that at least the assets are going to be reused.

I'm also fascinated that the bastion engine being in the common folder hasn't sparked any speculation yet. what else could get an engine like that that hasn't already been done by an earlier gavril?
-a simple coupe of the bastion like a challenger, camaro, or mustang seems too simple, and not different enough from the bastion.
-an Unibody SUV, or a modern pickup just feel too close to the D-series and roamer to me.
-a purpose built sports car like a viper or corvette could be a possibility, though that would be starting to clog up the "modern sports car" dempgraphic, with the SBR, K-series, and the new civetta already existing.
-alternatively, Hemi and LS engine conversions are wildly popular, and maybe these engines are going to replace the long-awaited V8 200BX?

 

2.2 liter engine is available in the wendover parts menu, but it isn't in any configs.
the 90s pickup could happen, but we have no sign of it. i would love to see a reappearance of 600cc engine from the old pigeon, though. (there is a mod for it, but it just isn't the same)

 

I completely agree that it is interesting that the Bastion engine is in the common folder, however I sort of assumed that it would be used in a sister car based on the same platform, like the kind of relationship that the Dodge Challenger and Charger have. I imagine that this Challenger like vehicle would end up with a lot of inspiration from the Moonhawk and may be named the Moonhawk. I highly doubt the Bastion V8 will be part of very many swap projects, it's too big. I've tried to fit it in the 200BX, the D-Series, all kinds of stuff. That engine is physically MASSIVE, and won't fit in any of them without being like half a foot above the hood so that the oil pan doesn't conflict with the suspension. I imagine it may be added to the Moonhawk at some point but that's about it.

 

I do think a modern Bruckell pickup is highly possible for 3 reasons:

• It's a highly requested niche (we got 2 of these back to back: not-a-LD-Charger and a modern Civetta supercar; a modern American full-sized BoF truck and a minivan are the next 2 most requested)
• I wouldn't consider it to be excessively similar to the D-Series. In the last couple of decades truck size and tech has both come a long way. This truck would be in a completely different market position and offer a fair bit more performance (and massively more towing capacity) for comparable trim levels.
• A modern factory extreme off road truck is an important and completely absent niche which such a vehicle is perfect for (and would potentially give us the first true competitor to the super build prerunner)

All of this doesn't even mention the possibility of an electric version. While I don't think Bruckell would be an early adopter of electric trucks, it is at least worth mentioning.

 

Perhaps it will be based off the ram and will have a version similar to the TRX with the bastion demonhawk engine

 

Inb4 we get a modern rendition of the De Tomaso Pantera but with the upcoming Civetta supercar

 

Plus a modern Bruckell Pick-Up Truck could fill certain engine niches in the BeamNG lore, with a Cummins-like Inline-6 diesel, as opposed to the V8 diesel of Gavril, a modern Performance Truck with the Supercharged 6.5 and, also, a large V10 for both Heavy-Duty operations and Performance usage. Just imagine a Bruckell Pick-Up Truck version, a crazy Bastion V10 swap or a Bastion sister coupe model V10 swap!

A modern SUV is something different than the Roamer, for the reasons ManfredE3 mentioned plus the same versions I mentioned (a version with a large Inline-6 diesel, a performance version with the Supercharged 6.5 V8 and even a performance version with a large V10) will fill niches of the large modern SUVs too.

I don't think the 1.3 Inline-4 can be suited to the Covet because the Covet already has the 1.5 DOHC for this role, especially when it gets tuned a bit with race parts. Plus, the 1.3 has ITBs and they're unsuitable for every day because they don't really go all that well with non-tuned/non-race engine parts and low revs.

About the compact Pick-Up Truck, it doesn't only have to be a Hopper variant. It certainly can share its engines with the Hopper but it can also coexist with the Hopper Pick-Up because it still has a somewhat different purpose, a more all-around one than the workhorse Hopper.
Also yes, I forgot to mention that it can only come whenever the remastering time comes but that's kinda given, given the fact we say this every time we make such hypotheses, so...

 

Now if were going to see a v10 truck it would almost certainly be a heavy duty towing model but I highly doubt for performance

 

There's also the SRT Ram with the Viper V10, so there is hope.

 

But this truck would certainly be a newer truck if were gonna have the bastion v8 in it

 

I will say if a V10 does come to fruition it had better be swappable into the Bastion. Also I did the math, if they based the V10 off the 6.5 liter with basically it just being that plus two cylinders it would end up at 8.1 liters if the 6.5 was exactly 6500CCs. If it was based off the 5.7 at 5700CCs it would be 7.1 liters.

 

Yes, hadn't thought about that. The 6.5 V8 is a 2016 model, so the V10 is kinda out of the question.