Update Speculation thread

Parts affecting torque is probably not in next update, but much later, it is only hinted by Diamondback when he corrected my misunderstanding about expression based variables, which might or might not be in the next update.

This expression based variables only changes variables, I'm not sure if you could do toe in +2 with parts though.

I would think that changing torque by variables/expression is not in next update, but I know very little, Diamondback did mention there is something better coming in pipeline, so something of such is probably in some of future updates.

If I guess blind, maybe end of year or next year?

It might be that even Diamondback is not yet certain about when that are will be enough ready to be included into update, but I do hope very very much that we see such feature, because that would make game again more interesting to new group of modders, which again will make BeamNG world bigger.

 

Look at the latest entry in development screenshots in the dev section. Looks like you were right.

 

Oooo, oooo, OOOOOhhh, that looks very promising, but that guy is such a tease now, I'm quite sure he is as hyped as we are about possibilities that would allow if it is possible to implement reasonably without braking everything!

When you look at Diamondback's work, you really can see how he loves what he does, BeamNG is so lucky to have him.

If that feature makes it into game some day, I won't have much time for anything else than building all the virtual toys

 

I made 6x6 setup with range box, what I was thinking there when making was that I could just strap another range box there to have splitter and range both, but never tested it.

I just stuffed in another range box now and this is what I got:


I guess splitter functionality would be dependent now only with what ratios I set to that other rangebox, so that splitter rangebox ratio change between high and low is less than one full gear in gearbox, would it work like that?

I'm not saying anything about several engines, that will go over my head too much.

Oh and I guess I would need to create key binding/slot to have splitter mapped to controller button which would then toggle splitter from high to low, but I don't know how to do that.

 

Hmm, Splitter box is just like another gearbox, but is it then before gearbox or after?

I found ratio is 0.51:1 for H and probably 1:1 for L



So I would put low ratios from gears 1,3,5,7,9 into gearbox and then have splitter to do rest of ratios on H.


Ok, it seems I can't have rangebox(splitter) before gearbox, or then I did something wrong, but this is what I get:


If I place splitter after gearbox, that is not really splitting gears, however it starts to go over my head with all these ratio multiplications as of why situation would be different for before gearbox and after gearbox, I mean half should be half, right?

Yellow is range box, blue/purple is splitter box, this is setup game accepts, but if I move that splitter box to between torqueconverter and gearbox I get clutch child issue:

 

It has input shaft and output shaft, two gear ratios, same as range box, also it has a clutch brake that slows down input shaft(?) when shifting, it is just another box in driveline, at least what I can see or understand.

Looks like gearbox parent needs to be viscous coupling device while rangebox is not, but then again my brain is trying to tell me it is same if you split gearbox input or output rpm by 0.51 you should get half the gear, however all these ratios are bit much for this old brain.


I don't really know why it is then that when I use splitter I don't get quite same gear spacing as is indicated by documents I posted earlier, only reason I can think of is that splitter box needs to be before gearbox?

 

I did that, but I'm still not getting quite same behavior as documentation of real world ratios claims, of course wheel size is variable that can be bit different, but from previous gear high to next gear low there is hardly any change in rpm, but 1st high to 2nd low should be like 2nd to 3rd in pic, earlier post has ratios too, which I put into my configuration files:
It's from pdf with filename of roadranger-eaton-fuller-heavy-duty-rtlo-10-transmissions.pdf


Another thing is that Front diff looks like to have wheel RPM while rear diffs have higher rpm, I'm not sure if that is a bug or something I don't understand, I thought that maybe lock torque is not enough and something is slipping, but then again that does not make sense either:


I do have a torque converter of course, but also I have lock up clutch that is set so that it is locked always from 2nd gear on.

This is all very interesting, while bit confusing and I'm afraid this should be at mod support rather that update speculation.

Extract zip to documents/vehicles/semi and load provided config if you wish to have a play.

 

Sadly no avail, here I'm shifting from 6th to 7th which is 3rd high to 4th low:


My rangebox has rations 1:1 and 4:1, splitter box has ratios of 0.51:1 and 1:1 and gearbox has ratios of [-12.51, 0, 9.91, 5.57, 3.12, 1.78, 1.0] as specified in Fuller manual.

rangebox is on high so that is 1:1 ratio, splitter goes form high to low so that is from 0.51:1 to 1:1 and gearbox goes from 3.12:1 to 1.78:1 so with splitter shift is going from 3.12:1 to 3.49:1 however in real world data we can see that is not the case, from engine speed goes by realworld data 1700rpm to 1300rpm which must mean that instead of multiplying gearbox ratio, something else is multiplied by splitter box.

What that other could be then? I think that there are something more to splitter box than meets the eye.

I don't get much out from that service manual either, but it has lot of gears and operational stuff, that is actually twin splitter, but I guess they work the same.

Update: Aha, I found out that I learn again something

While what I found was that splitter box would have 0.51:1 ratio, by calculating ratio from gearing I got 0.75:1 instead, using that value splitter works as I originally thought that it should, so no problems there.

So when low has gear ratio of 9.91 and high has gear ratio of 7.48, you just do Splitter ratio = 1-7.48/9.91 and that is how you should be able to calculate what really is splitter ratio, no need to find data from the box.

It would be nice that with passion would come the brain, but usually opposite is true

Ok, so how to do twin splitter then, that gets complicated, but two range box both should have low of 1:1, then you would have to do some controller magic to switch low and high status of those two so that low is both 1:1, medium is one range box 1:1 other for example 0.75:1 and high would be both 0.75:1 which should result total of 0.5:1

So difficult part comes from getting that three state splitter controller to be made of or two state if using single splitter.

Attached is my proof of concept version, which does not have a controller so that I could add controller buttons to switch splitter up and down, because I have no idea how to make such, until I study more, but you can use splitter from the UI to test that it really works as it should, despite transmission being manually operated automatic.

 

have the devs ever confirmed/hinted on the following features...?
- scratches
- particle effects
- airbags
- breakable car parts

 

The devs have:

-attempted dynamic scratches with limited success. Feature is not believed to be in any sort of serious development at the moment.
-successfully implemented particle effects. You'll notice black "dust" and sparks flying any time you crash at a significant speed.
-repeatedly confirmed that airbags are not planned.
-Implemented a system that allows certain parts to "rip open", most notably the main body of the tanker trailer and the ambulance box on the H-series. IMO, it's a little overactive, often removing large chunks of the object and creating "floating" debris.

 

I see, thanks..

I guess I won't see these properly implemented until someone decides to create their own "crash simulator" with UE4 or some other - more versatile engine.

It makes me wonder, what's next for BeamNG then? Adding cars/maps..? Seems like the hit a wall with Torque3D. Seeing how WCUSA is a stuttery mess /and it doesn't even have any dynamic objects/ bigger maps seem to be a no-go aswell.

 

Making T3D better most likely should be their main goal right now, just edit the engine until it's basically a new engine. That way feature implementation (multiplayer, Vulkan, PBR) is easier and better working.
Just a thought, though.

 

T3D is basically developed by the BNG team right now, i think it's difficult for them when you have 4 years of work put into the game, some of the oldest stuff was made a lot of time ago, it's not easy to keep the pace, to realize the amount of work the devs are doing on the background stuff just look at the sunburst rear door panel, it hasn't been fixed for ages

 

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Sorry if this sounds stupid, but what is wrong with the Sunburst rear door panel?

 

It is extremely low poly and unrefined compared to the rest of the car, it was a feature that passed under the radar because of the big changes this game had