Update Speculation thread

If that so that mean the problem is in the shape of the tires.

 

I've managed to reproduce this ingame very easily & a lot of times when launching the car or sliding. You must be doing something wrong

 

Problem is that handling is odd and right now I'm guessing why. It might be suspension, force feedback, design of the cars, lack of "luggage" but the problem still persists.

 

I've never really had an issue with tire grip in BeamNG. Even with new tires on dry pavement, a simple intersection will feel pretty sketchy making a corner at 25-30 mph, and is enough to start feeling push understeer in a FWD van, or trigger ESC in a modern subie. Unfortunately I value my tires and fuel economy, so I haven't been willing to do anything much more exciting, but at low speeds steering feels pretty accurate.

I keep the dampening at low speeds setting disabled, with more recent updates it's pretty much unnecessary on all but a few vehicles, and even then the vibrations can be stopped by firmly holding the wheel. It makes low speed handling feel a lot better. My only problem with FFB and handling is that the self-centering is pretty weak in a lot of cars.

 

I find it funny when people who have no clue of car mechanics, and who have never driven a car to its limits (or at all) talk like they know shit

 

Because most of us don't drive cars to their limits. That's like saying that you have to pilot a spaceship to know how it works. I drive a car every single day, and am currently working on visiting every county in my state by car. That doesn't invalidate my points does it? I wouldn't imagine it would.

 

Why are we talking about this stuff?

This ain't car handling discussion thread!

 

Why are you asking? We're speculating on tire thermals and handling. This is remained fairly civil.

 

Why are we talking about car handling in an update speculation thread?

 

You do realize flipping a car on asphalt/concrete is a very hard thing to do right?
I'd say cars most often flip when sliding into dirt or any soft terrain as the side of the wheel digs into the ground and "trips" the car over. This isn't simulated in BeamNG as the ground doesn't deform, though you get this effect if you slide into a sand pit, or maybe some mud.
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Updates often come with improvements to the physics engine and consequentially the way cars behave...

 

That is absolutely true, but for vehicles with a higher center of gravity, or vehicles with boatier suspension, I'd imagine it would be a bit more possible than modern vehicles with TC and traction aids.

Although, the point you made about mud and dirt intrigues me, that's definitely something that would be neat to see.

 

Guys, seriously though, can you all go to a separate thread to discuss handling sh*t? It's just handling, who cares

 

Handling is the core of any car game, so everybody cares.

 

Handling in a physics game is all that matters. So no, YOU dont care.
This is for 1, a threat about speculating so if we wanna talk about anything game related we freakin will.
Especially handling.

 

I haven't yet tried to deliberately flip the Roamer, D15 or the van on standard asphalt (those are the only "small" cars I can see flipping in this game) but I imagine it's still quite hard. It's worth noting that some SUVs in real life can actually be flipped on flat ground, though, so it might be possible to replicate that in this game.

Simulating car handling accurately is one of the main goals of this game, and the devs have poured much work into making the cars feel as accurate as possible. If you've mistaken this game for a "crash simulator" that's just on you

 

I wonder if it would be possible to somehow simulate ground deformation, at least for stuff like this. It obviously wouldn't be visual or persistent, like real life ruts, but it would make off-road driving feel less... dry, I suppose.

 

Arma 2 had a ok answer by adding little rng bumps when driving on grass

 

The problem is that beams in BeamNG can only lengthen and shorten, they cannot bent. Thus in the tire simulation

The contact patch cannot be affected by underinflation and overinflation, only the tire spring and damp is affacted.

 

The main problem with BeamNG is how realistic it is, there is a limit to what you can perceive through a computer monitor, thus in normal games everything is over exaggerated so it looks and feels right.

BeamNG is correct, but the problem is that it doesn't feel correct speed wise. Motion blur would help massively, but there are no problems with handling.

I just wish there were tyre thermals, so you would say need to warm the tyres up to get optimal friction. Or have the damage implemented, as just slamming brakes on and screeching to a stop, at the moment is like cheating.. as the brakes dont warm up you can keep doing it for ages, it'd be nice for tyre thermals (and mayybe tyre flatspots but i think this would be hard to implement)