Vehicle suggestions (See first post)

Discussion in 'Ideas and Suggestions' started by Donken, Aug 6, 2012.

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It's possible to add a minivan from the 90s please?

  1. Yes, it's possible.

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  2. No, it's impossible, sorry.

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  3. We are going to think

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  1. Ytrewq

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    Fintray?
     
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  2. General S'mores

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    Good idea! I'd say it can be a previous gen of the Roadster, now that I think about it.
     
  3. MrAnnoyingDude

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    I'm actually working on a Porsche 924-style Autobello sports car, the R2/4S, that would have a 2.0 engine sourced from a Fiat 131+Audi 80 B1-style car.
     
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    IMO it's not really ok to make Italian Porsche-based car. Porsche is genuine German product, only German.
    It's more appropriate to call that car ETK.
     
  5. MrAnnoyingDude

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    Autobello is VW+Fiat, and the 924 was originally meant to be a Volkswagen.

    Plus, the car has some X1/9 hints.
     
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    It was meant to be an Audi... and still, the only thing VAG and FIAT shared at the time was (sometimes) the exterior designer, as Giugiaro penned cars for pretty much everyone and their dogs.

    Unless you mean the 914, the 924 and the X1/9 can't be any more different.
     
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    Configs:
    • Base - Equipped with a 45 HP single-carb (pre-war)/49 HP twin-carb (post-war) 1.2 I4, 3-spd (pre-war) or 4-spd (post-war) manual with syncromesh 1st and 2nd gear, open diff, standard suspension, basic brake pads and 19×4 wire wheels with 19-4.50 bias-ply tires.
    • Custom - As above, but tuned up to 57/65 HP, with uprated shocks, cut springs, premium brake pads, 19-4.80 tires and an autocross starting number.
    • Race - As above, but with 61/70 HP, race suspension, sport brake pads, 19x5 wire wheels with 19-5.20 sport tires and a 40s racing paintjob.
    • Beater - Based on the Base, but with a rusted bodywork, faded autocross paintjob, worn drivetrain, suspension, brakes and tires, cut springs and missing trim pieces.
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    "The 1973 oil crisis, a series of automobile-related regulatory changes enacted during the 1970s and a change of directors at Volkswagen made the case for a Volkswagen sports car less striking and the 425 project was put on hold. After serious deliberation at VW, the project was scrapped entirely after a decision was made to move forward with the cheaper, more practical, Golf-based Scirocco model instead. Porsche, which needed a model to replace the 914, made a deal with Volkswagen leadership to buy the design back"

    And the X1/9 semblance will be largely visual.
     
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    As far as I know, the 924 was meant to be an Audi - it was powered by an Audi engine and the project name starting with "EA" is an Audi designation. The Audi version was dropped in favour of the cheaper-to-develop Quattro and Porsche bought the design back from Volkswagen.

    First gen. Scirocco was launched long before the 924 (2 years), coexisted with the 914 for about 18 months and wasn't even remotely comparable to the then upcoming Porsche model.
     
  9. MrAnnoyingDude

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    As far as you know.

    EA is a 60s/70s VW designation, the Scirocco was planned anyway to slot below the 924,and Audi-VW cooperation was ongoing.
     
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    The fact VW was involved never meant the 924 was going to be badged as a VW.

    Audi was fully owned by VW at the time and VW was the one taking decisions.
    See above, the Scirocco was launched 2 years before the 924, Audi was fully owned by VW at the time, Audi was the one taking big risks with higher-end projects... so much that the Passat-based coupè that took the 924 place in the VAG group lineup ended up being badged as an Audi - the Coupè GT that later formed the basis for the Quattro.

    Timing of launches fits much better than a canned Scirocco alternative.
     
  11. MrAnnoyingDude

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    The 924 was not a Scirocco alternative, it was a higher-placed vehicle on its own platform, not the Golf one.
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    Gavril T-Series (2015-)

    It is a...

    ...modern heavy-duty Gavril truck. Based on the International RH-Series, but with a Kenworth T680 front end.

    Ladder frame, front-engine 4x2/4x4/6x4/6x6 layout, leaf spring+airbag suspension, disc/drum brakes. Comes with a 12-litre (375 HP, 450 HP) or 15-litre (510 HP, 600 HP) I6 turbodiesel, coupled to a 5-/6-/10-spd automatic, or 10-/13-/15-/18-speed manual (with optional automated clutch).

    Comes as a flatbed (T75/T85), box truck (T75/T85), dump truck (T75/T85), logging truck (4x4/6x6 T75/T85) semi truck (T75/T85), tow truck (T85) or garbage truck (T85).

    Can be had in the Long Haul config, with a bullbar, added chrome decorations, interior pendants, sleeper cab and custom American flag-style paintjob.
     
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    You said it was going to be a VW but VW chose to develop the Scirocco instead, not me:
    Likely some Wikipedia quote. VW management scrapped the project indeed, but their variant was never meant to be badged as a VW.

    Proof:

    - 924 was equipped with Audi engine and transmissions.
    - Audi launched a similar model just a couple of years later, the GT Coupè. Much cheaper to develop, but otherwise with similar market positioning as the 924.
    - Audi was about to move upmarket with the then upcoming B2 lineup at the time. They needed some "halo" model much more than VW.
     
  13. General S'mores

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    Ibishu ??? (2009-2013)


    It is a...
    modern-day Japanese hot hatch. Based off the Mazdaspeed3, but with a rear end inspired by the Mk.6 Golf GTI, and a Focus ST-inspired interior.

    Configurations:
    ???
     
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  14. MrAnnoyingDude

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    Kinda like a Sunburst hatch, but that is already a thing.
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    The 924's Audi motors don't mean it was meant to be an Audi - it just meant VW didn't have powerful enough ones of their own.

    Also, the 200, 5000 and Quattro were Audi flagships.
     
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    Volkswagen had down-to-Earth brand perception at time. The 914 before it was hardly a commercial success, right for the VW part of the deal. Porsche even went as far as demanding to have both versions sold as Porsches in the States in order not to get mixed up with VW too much. With the demise of Heinrich Nordhoff, VW's greatest (and only) supporter of the 914 project, interest in the project from the VW management waned. Why would they want to repeat the experience, or even raise the bar with its successor?

    Even Audi at the time wasn't perceived as a full fledged "luxury" brand yet, but it had potential VW could only dream of.

    They also tasked Audi to develop one of their own old engines into the unit that later powered the 924.

    How that (for you) is indicative of the VW branding ever being considered adequate for what would have been their most sophisticated vehicle ever (for decades to come, even) is really beyond me.
    And the 924 predates them all, which only indicates the intention to push Audi upmarket with said models.

    In the grand scheme of things, having a sport coupè branded as a Volkswagen (at the time, still the european ugly duckling, see how troubled the development of the Mk1 Golf was compared to other similar models, and how declaredly they took all the inspiration they could from their competitors, FIAT in particular), especially one that would have eclipsed Audi's own pretty average GT Coupè, would have made zero commercial sense.
     
  16. MrAnnoyingDude

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    That's why they didn't.

    And it was used to make staid cars like the 200, 5000 or Quattro, not the sporty 924.

    Well, VW did not have powerful enough engines of their own.

    They wanted a fancy range-topper. That's it. The same way Fiat had the Dino a few years later, and Chevrolet still had the Corvette.

    Or indicates that they had been developed in relatively close time periods.

    GM was doing a decent job doing that with the Chevrolet Corvette.

    Plus, inspiration from competitors is some 90% of auto engineering.
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    Some time ago, @Duster02 made some lists of year model ranges of Beam carmakers. I've decided to start my own with Bolger, starting with 1909 and hopefully ending on 2019.

    1909:

    1909 Bolger - Packard Model 30, Cadillac Model Thirty (front, dash). (78"/98" wheelbase, 4-door torpedo/touring car/town car/landaulet/closed car, 2-door convertible/roadster/club coupe/2-seat coupe, 4.7 32 HP I4, 3-spd manual, RWD).


    1919:
    - 1919 Bolger - 1919 Packard Twin Six/Cadillac Type 57 (front) (128"/133"/140" wheelbase, 4-door torpedo/touring car/landaulet/town car/limousine/hearse, 2-door convertible/roadster/club coupe/2-seat coupe, 79 HP 5.9 V8, 3-spd manual, RWD)
     
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  17. General S'mores

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    Bolger (1904-present)

    It is a...

    American high-end luxury brand, majorly based off Lincoln and Cadillac, though it also takes inspiration from other cars and brands.

    History:
    ???

    Line-up:
    ???
     
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    Ok, I give up, so the 924 was meant to spawn a VW-badged sibling (instead of an Audi-badged one, as it would have made sense), simply because you read it somewhere on Wikipedia. Kappa.

    VW was so desperately trying to get a "fancy range topper" that it was Audi to get range toppers in the end. Among these, a 924 rival that was essentially a Passat Coupè (with no VW equivalent!)...

    If anything, VW withdrew from the project so early that they probably had nothing in mind just yet, and their contribution was reportedly null when they pulled back. Other than the Audi-sourced drivetrain...

    By the way, FIAT didn't just want "a fancy range topper". Much like the Ferrari model, the Fiat Dino was exclusively created to put the "Dino" engines to use for homologation purposes. And it's not like they never had "fancy range toppers" before to justify the introduction of the Dino in their range...
     
  19. MrAnnoyingDude

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    Not necessarily 1909 as the start year, just that it was 110 years ago and the company wouldn't have been existing yet in 1899.
     
  20. General S'mores

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    I changed it now to the same year Cadillac was founded.
     
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