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Vehicles with torsion beams, live axles, dead axles.

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by goldzatfig, Apr 4, 2014.

  1. goldzatfig

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    Hi guys

    I'm just wondering about vehicles on Beamng drive. All of them either have a completely independent setup or independent up front with a live axle at the back. There is no problem with this but it'd be so much cooler to see vehicles with different types of suspension. For example, small hatchbacks with a torsion beam on the rear wheels, 7.5 tonne trucks with dead axles on the front and live axles on the back with either air or rubber suspension. Do you reckon we'll see this in the future? Also, I read a post about torsion beams and a few of you said it's quite complicated making the physics to go along with it. Furthermore, a van for the British/ European market such as the FWD Ford Transit would be cool to see with its dead axle on the rear wheels.

    Any way, what do you guys think? Vehicles with fully dependant suspension handle really funnily and that'd be awesome to see in-game.

    Thanks

    This Fiat has the suspension set up I was talking about (dead rear axle)

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  2. Bakasan

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    Of course, as time goes on, more vehicles will be added with varying suspension types. I know that we cannot yet have MacPherson struts simulated, as they have nod been coded yet, and I'm not sure if there's anything else that won't work.
     
  3. Ownernator11

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    *didnt read the post properly, said something stupid*

    Please ignore.
     
  4. 0xsergy

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    Basically anything but mcpherson strut is possible with the current engine. With slidesnodes mcpherson will be possible.
     
  5. Mythbuster

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    The Datsun that Dkutch made has torsion bars, or at least it did back in RoR I think. There are already a few vehicles with live axles front and back, like the Cherokee and my HellJeep. There should still be a VW Golf mk2 in the forums somewhere that has a dead rear axle, and my Ibiza will have one too if I ever get around to finishing it.

    Vans like you suggested... Not so much. Can't think of anything that has them, but it shouldn't take long for someone to use the H-series that Gabester did and modify the n/b to make some dead-axle fwd van out of it.
     
  6. gabester

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    The T75 (big semi truck) has a solid axle in front. Also, the Bruckell LeGran (FWD sedan) will have a dead axle in rear :) Soliad Wendover will probably have a dead axle in the rear as well, since it's a big dumb FWD 80s American car.
     
  7. Bakasan

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    I had a feeling the LeGran would be this way, i suppose it has struts in the front, being FF. Also, will the Wendover use this suspension as well, an independent rear system seems a tad advanced for a late 80's FF American saloon.
     
  8. SixSixSevenSeven

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    Vauxhall Vivaro
    Renault Trafic
    Fiat Ducato and its rebadges (peugeot boxer, Citroen Relay, Peugeot Manager, Citroen Jumper, RAM ProMaster)
    Ford Transit (4th gen onwards is available in FR, FF and AWD variants).

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    Oh, a front differential JBeam for you, goes in the front transfer case slot (and is in fact simply the transfer case edited to actually specify the axle friction and final drive ratio correctly).
    Included versions with both the heavy and normal drive ratios, although I don't really recommend it on the heavy.
     

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  9. KiloHotel

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    All euro garbage. NA spec vans with dead rear axles dont really exist, the only one I can think of is the Dodge Promaster which is a rebranded Fiat Ducato.
     
  10. vmlinuz

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    I tried to model a dead rear axle, but the game crashed when I tried to use it :p
     
  11. SixSixSevenSeven

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    Did you have to try turning it into an american vs everywhere else car debate? Nothing wrong with any of those vans. There are less vehicles per capita in north america than most european countries, yet europe has a larger population, so it stands to reason to assume that there are more "euro garbage" vans in the world than NA spec vans, there is a world beyond your front doorstep.

    Its the ram promaster, not dodge, I already mentioned it. You'll find all searches for a dodge promaster redirect to ram http://www.ramtrucks.com/en/ram_promaster/
     
  12. logoster

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    ummm, you do know ford makes the ford transit in america as well, right? also, "euro garbage" really? was it absolutely necessary to say that?

    http://www.ford.com/trucks/transitconnect/
     
  13. Mopower77

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    Then an old Mopar's suspension system is possible? I thought Gabe said something about torsion bars being a bit complicated to make though?
     
  14. SixSixSevenSeven

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    The connect may have transit in the name but is technically a different vehicle based on the chassis of a focus, but you guys do get the real transit this summer: http://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/transit/

    Looks like you arent getting as many configurations as us though, rear wheel drive is your only option for a start whereas we can have front or all wheel drive as options. Guess it will take time for it to pick up in the US market. Tbh, I would be surprised if it was made available in the US for the first time with every single configuration available too.
     
  15. dkutch

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    Very possible. My Datsun 720 has node/beam torsion bars, and they really work. My Plymouth Belvedere has them too. I don't know what Gabe was smoking... :p
     
  16. Mopower77

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    I see, so would adjustable ride height be possible then since you can really crank the torsions bars up if you want? And, you made a Belvedere for Beamng? I need to do more searching in the mod deparment haha
     
  17. dkutch

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    Well, its really no different than adjusting ride height with normal springs in BeamNG. You still have to change the precompression of beams. The big difference is those beams you change the precompression on are mounted in the center of the wheelbase, aka where the screw jacks would be on most setups. So yes, in a way you really crank up the torsion bars where you would in a real vehicle.


    The Belvedere has been a work in progress for a long time. Uses the node and beam from my SuperBee that I made for RoR, I just ported it to BeamNG.
     

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  18. Mopower77

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    Wow, that's sexy looking. Maybe Gabe just doesn't want to make anything Mopar-esque. *Cough* Chevy lover *cough*
     
  19. gabester

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    I have no brand loyalty ;) I happen to be a huge fan of many Mopars, like the Imperial, Charger, etc.
     
  20. goldzatfig

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    Awesome, I look forward to those :)
     
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