Why Leaking Paid Mods Is Idiotic.

It's not idiotic it's just a shitty thing to do. people want something, you have a copy of it, if you don't really care about the creator so you share it. Indie game devs, AAA companies, mod makers in other games deal with it all the time. It's a reality of making anything desirable. Some people can't/won't pay for it and someone who pays for it doesn't care about the passion and time you put into it leaks it.

 

I actually have or had some of the images of before the guy deleted the messages.

 

Ooh, please, do share! Only seeing one side of an arguement is not very interesting.

 

reee piracy is bad !1!!!11

 

Ok well, you can't say that when there are people making mods on the forums right now that use intellectual property from big brands trying to sell it and profit off it. If you're going to say it's a "violation of DMCA" to steal someone's mod, it's also in violation of DMCA to make a mod using an actual car company and then trying to sell it like it's your own.
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I don't care that he made 1 cent. This isn't a site made for making money. If you make a mod for BeamNG, you can't expect to be compensated hundreds of thousands of dollars and nominated for Pulitzer Prize. It can be disappointing after putting in a ton of effort and hours making mods only to be paid 1 cent, but you need to remember that this site isn't a paid mod storefront. If you want to make money doing modding/3D modeling/programming go to Turbosquid, CGTrader, Fiverr, or literally anywhere else.

 

Says who, though?

 

I mean it isn't. There's nothing preventing you from using it as such but it's intended to be a forum for mods in general. I may be a bit confused about your response as it doesn't make much sense in this context.

 

It is not good to say these things at this time. They have their own opinions, and their way of thinking is not going to change, so it is useless to argue with them. So just let them say it.

 

Are you implying you view the forums solely as a paid mod marketplace or that there simply exists room here for paid mods? Might want to clarify what your implying with this a little bit because it can be interpreted a couple different ways

 

My main point was that there is no need to gatekeep 3D models and modding to websites like CGTrader and the likes. I believe I quoted too much of the original message.
I did not mean it as "this site is solely a paid mod storefront".

I've edited my message so that it's a bit more clear what I was trying to argue with.

 

It's also a mod repository, and @Car_Killer confirmed that posting paid mods is allowed here.

 

Need I remind you good sir that you are posting on the forums and not the repository? That is a different corner of this webpage entirely. Here is a hyper-link in case you are lost.

This site's terms work directly against authors of paid add-ons good sir, the vast majority are taken down with illegitimate claims of IP ownership from forum trolls. It is extremely easy to accomplish, feel free to try for yourself.
Utilising a third-party add-ons site results in a much less volatile experience, and yields a better market impression over time. With how these forums work you need an army of children to bump your thread higher on the catalogue daily, or fabricate 'bug-fixes' to bump the repository listing higher every few days. There are other platforms that do not sort by bump order, and they are by far superior to the system in place here in addition to the numerous other advantages.

Why does this community continue to attempt turning this webpage into something it is not while those alternatives they seek already exist? Truly a fruitless endeavour.

 

you can sort by rating/downloads, plus the repository is widely used and the devs themselves could check on the content's quality. No need to be passive-agressive either

As i said @Car_Killer confirmed those are outdated and it's perfectly fine ot post paid mods here. The source is trust me bro i guess since the comment seems to have been deleted from the thread due to the mass deletion that happened because of the paid mod controversy, but he could confirm that again if need be i'm sure.

 

What? Did you forget what site you're on? If that was the purpose of the forums and the BeamNG website, don't you think they'd include a built in button or two to pay the mod makers directly? Whichever way you want to frame it, it's obvious that this website wasn't made to be a storefront for paid mods that use meshes ripped from Forza and Assetto Corsa. It's pretty obvious that all BeamNG had in mind was making mods and just maybe allowing authors to accept tips for their work, which is understandable. Otherwise, every mod would look like this:

I get that for some people it's unfortunate not being compensated for your work, but if you really don't want to make mods, nobody's forcing you to do it. People have been making mods for this game for almost 10 years without any financial incentive. So why all of a sudden does every author want a ton of money for something that people have been providing this game with for free?
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At least with those sites, they stand behind every transaction. I've yet to see BeamNG upload anything that describes where the money goes, the protocols for money sent to authors, or even protections given to users to make sure that the money isn't stolen. This isn't a "gatekeeping" scenario, this is a using-the-wrong-site-for-the-wrong-purpose scenario. I'm not gatekeeping anything. I'm giving you options. Regardless, I'm not sending any Bitcoin to anyone just so I can use a mod. Not until it's guaranteed that I'm going to get the mod, and also not until a settlement is reached regarding how BeamNG processes these paid mods. If I have to visit a crypto site and send Bitcoin to someone for a mod, I'm not paying for it.
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At least with those sites, they stand behind every transaction. I've yet to see BeamNG upload anything that describes where the money goes, the protocols for money sent to authors, or even protections given to users to make sure that the money isn't stolen. This isn't a "gatekeeping" scenario, this is a using-the-wrong-site-for-the-wrong-purpose scenario. I'm not gatekeeping anything. I'm giving you options. Regardless, I'm not sending any Bitcoin to anyone just so I can use a mod. Not until it's gauranteed that I'm going to get the mod, and also not until a settlement is reached regarding how BeamNG processes these paid mods. If I have to visit a crypto site and send bitcoin to someone for a mod, I'm leaving the mod alone because it's

Well, yeah, that's how it works. In fact, there were places you could get a lot of the paid mods on this site. There still are even with the occasional takedowns. You do have to go to sketchy websites, but the leaks are there. You can't exactly stop them, either, because people get one person to pay for it and then they share it with all their friends. The same thing happened to the Vertex. It's just what happens when you remove the avenue of just outright downloading a mod. If people wanted to tip the authors, they would, but nobody wants to pay for something that should really be free. The monetization of everything becomes annoying very quickly, and everyone I know on these forums personally would rather get a leak for a mod than pay for the mod and the updates and all that. It's just how it is.
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At least with those sites, they stand behind every transaction. I've yet to see BeamNG upload anything that describes where the money goes, the protocols for money sent to authors, or even protections given to users to make sure that the money isn't stolen. This isn't a "gatekeeping" scenario, this is a using-the-wrong-site-for-the-wrong-purpose scenario. I'm not gatekeeping anything. I'm giving you options. Regardless, I'm not sending any Bitcoin to anyone just so I can use a mod. Not until it's gauranteed that I'm going to get the mod, and also not until a settlement is reached regarding how BeamNG processes these paid mods. If I have to visit a crypto site and send bitcoin to someone for a mod, I'm leaving the mod alone because it's

Well, yeah, that's how it works. In fact, there were places you could get a lot of the paid mods on this site. There still are. You do have to go to sketchy websites, but the leaks are there. You can't exactly stop them, either, because people get one person to pay for it and then they share it with all their friends. Same thing happened to the Vertex. It's just what happens when you remove the avenue of just outright downloading a mod. If people wanted to tip the authors, they would, but nobody wants to pay for something that should really be free. The monetization of everything becomes annoying very quickly, and everyone I know on these forums personally would rather get a leak for a mod than pay for the mod and the updates and all that. It's just

It's not victimless, the victim is the author who was expecting thousands of dollars for pouring all his effort into making a mod for a video game. But I do agree, people who download the leaks weren't going to pay in the first place. I haven't downloaded any leaks but I know damn well I'm not paying anyone for a mod that should be free. If you wanted to make a paid mod from the very beginning, just go somewhere else. You don't really get to spend 11 months making a mod and then get angry when people refuse to tip you. It's the same way I don't tip a Starbucks barista for pouring Chai Tea into a cup. I already paid for the drink, why must I tip you for putting 5 seconds of effort into pouring it for me? I already paid for the game, and you're the one who decided to make a mod, so why must I pay you for access to it? If you don't want to give it to us for free, I don't care, I just won't buy it.

 

This whole discussion is pointless. If you don't agree with paid mods, then don't buy them.

If you make mods, but don't want people to steal them, make them for a game that prevents that, or has a regulated marketplace.

This is beamng. It's rough and ready and good fun. If people make a bit of money from others who are willing to pay then kudos to them.

 

Absolute unit of a post, didn't read it but respect the fact that whatever side your on you clearly have passion for it

 

Not necessarily. There's still a million problems that come with allowing paid mods on BeamNG. Plus, if paid mods continue to become more and more popular, pretty soon the whole site will be paid mods. At the end of the day, I just don't want to be robbed blind. The discussion is not pointless, it has merit, it's actually better to discuss the paid mods problem as it's becoming more widespread. There are just some things that shouldn't be monetized in my opinion, and I will continue to share my thoughts them regardless of what you think.

I didn't read it either I went halfsies earlier and went nuts. It's prolly got some hot takes in there idk

 

Nah, it'll never be all paid mods. Too many who are just hobbyists like myself.

Basically, you want stuff other people are selling for free.

Well..... Tough.

Or, you can get them on modland, etc. In which case, what's the problem?

 

I mean, essentially? I laid out what I wanted in the 450 posts I made earlier. I don't think everyone deserves to be paid for taking some time out of their day stealing a 3D model from another game, making a rushed JBeam, and then publishing it like it's the greatest mod the world has ever seen. Personally, I'd rather the people who are financially stable take some time off, make a mod, and then publish it for free regardless of how long it takes them. Like I said it's the same thing with tipping people for doing things anyone else can do. I'm not going to tip someone at Starbucks for pouring my drink, anyone can do that. In the same way anyone can steal a mesh from Forza, slap it onto a vanilla chassis, and then pawn it off as their own work like it's a gift from god. Plus, there are leaks, so I don't really care if there are only three or four authors who think their work is that good because their mods will still be stolen by others before their eyes. This site wasn't made for people to sell mods, and I don't wanna get my money stolen. So for me, it's either gotta be free or I just won't use it. I just don't want to see the community slowly devolve into people making mods purely so they can make money. Like I said before, if that's your prerogative, that's fine. There are ways to do that that don't require posting images of your $60 mod on the forums only to tell people they need to subscribe for your only fans to get it. At the end of the day, I'm not paying anyone $10 a month just for a mod. Why would I do that? That's $60 a year before taxes just for one car. I simply refuse. If it's not free I won't download or pay for it, period. That's just how I am. Plus I already spent $20 on the game and until I have to start paying to receive updates for this game, I will most definitely not even think about giving some random guy $60 a year just so I can continue to have access to a mod.

 

Ok... Don't buy them then.

But you are deciding for everyone else how things are, and then moaning when they disagree.

I'm personally also not a fan of paid mods. I won't sell mine and I won't buy other people's.

But... Who am I to dictate what others can do?

The repository doesn't take payments, so all 'official' mods are free.

If people want to make files and sell them. They're allowed. The market will dictate how successful that is. And if it turns out that is very successful and all mods turn to paid ones, then that's life (or at least that's capitalism...). Either way, you have no right to get free mods, and frankly there are so many free ones available that it's only a small number you (and I) miss out on.

There are lots of things in the world I would like, but I don't want to pay for. I just don't get them. It's not unfair, it's just life.