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WIP ZAZ 968M Zaporozhets/Запоро́жець/Запоро́жец (and other variations later)

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  1. Justaparps

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    I have worked on something in a secret for a month now(only 3 fellow modders knew about my project and were/are really helpful :D Thx guys!), but due to paranoia of someone stealing my work after i contact someone for helping me(in having such big issue that i have to give them files of my project in order to get the issue cleared)

    I planned to keep it in secret until i had something solid to show you(aside the 3D model(which is made by another person and i obtained it trough legal means(got permission from the hosting site on the basis of not making any profit of it and publically sharing my work, the model is not original, but modifed to be more realistic), still waiting for original Owner(mr/ms phoenix))
    i have decided to make my project public(on the basis of making it harder for someone to steal my work(whitout getting shamed by userbase for it) and giving me a open channel to get help.


    Since its my first mod(like literally my first mod for any game), i hope it to make it the honorary Busfag quality worthy(eg create it atleast as good as that mod was) :p
    The project i am working on is what might be eventually zaz series of cars in beamng, starting whit Zaz 968m for now(and when base car is done, mad max style mods for zaz968m), then rest of 968 series cars. And eventually i might not model only mk1 miata and tofu delivery car(as part of other mod projects, not this one), but all sorts of weird and interesting Ex CCCP vehicles, including a US mini jeep(Mighty Mite).
    My next project cars, part of this modpack(probably) include models such as Moskvich 400(My dear grand grand mothers and his husbands(rip, 2003) first car, Couple of Invalidkas)
    Below is a Imgur link containing all current images of my zaz968m project. I have gotten written permission(email/official social media page) to use a third party persons model to create my mod on(and i will provide proof for admins if asked by them).




    So now that i have written this part, lets get to the project, shall we?

    A small gallery of the 3d model: http://imgur.com/a/UeRS2












    So, i am pretty sure most of you have seen ZAZ series of cars only in S.T.A.L.K.E.R games and a russian car meme or so, and you are now wondering what is the car about?
    Basically they were small Coupé(whit exception of 965 which was a small 2 door city car, similar to fiat 600) ment for basic travel, whit decent offroad capabilities(due to being small(weight was slightly above 600kg) and having decent Weight-to-power ratio(19.31 kg/kW ;32.26 lb/bhp(for example MX5 2017 has 15.05 lb/hp, 1991 Audi 80 TDI(turbocharged diesel) had 19.14 kg/kW 31.96 lb/bhp, cadillac Deville 1987 had 15.4 kg/kW / 11.3 kg/PS / 25.4 lbs/hp and 2007 Toyota corolla had 20.079 lbs/kg and 1967 original mustang had 20.541lbs/hp and 2017 Ford Fiesta TDCi Titanium has 13.72 kg/kW 22.91 lb/bhp)


    Following is based on my research, so it might not be 100% accruate, since the car is 50+ years old and since i dont have car driving license and a job, i havent been able to buy one of these creatures(as in car model unit)(Isend in Estonian) yet.
    Also i am really thankful for my Hungarian source!!! He helped me to make sense of the suspension and steering system the car uses!





    ZAZ brand was founded in 1923(called Kommunar then), The company built only farming equipment and combain harvesters until late 1950s, when it was known that Moskvich 401(produced by AZLK(known by their Moskvich mark, another soviet vehicle company) was going to be discontinued), Following the growing trend of city cars (then accounting for between 25% and 40% of all European car sales), the minister in charge of Minavtroprom (the Soviet automotive ministry) Nicholas Strokin selected the new Fiat 600 as the model to follow. However, apart from general principles of mechanics and a close visual similarity to the Fiat 600, the ZAZ was in fact a completely different car. It had independent, torsion suspension(while 600 had independent leaf spring system) in the front / independent, spring suspension on the back, the ride was described as comftorable(in the sense it was able to drive on variety of roads, even in bad condition ones and trough fairly high snow(since if it got stuck, due to weight of only about 600+ KG, it was easily pushable by passengers)
    The idea behind the brand was to create a cheap and easy to maintain people’s car for the USSR
    The first car, dubbed the ZAZ-965 Zaporozhets, was delivered 12 June 1959, was approved 25 July 1960, and entered production 25 October. The Zaporozhets was priced at 1,800 rubles.
    It was a subcompact(based on fiat 600)


    The info in this post(aside suspension) may not be totally legit or right, because i used wide variety of sources to obtain it, but anything whit suspension or mechanical info is based on actual validated sources!


    The second generation of ZAZ(Sapakas/Sapikas in Estonian) were Coupes that were produced from 1966 to 1994!!!
    In design it was similar to NSU Prinz 4(but it was supposedly designed by ZAZ themselves, tough it was not uncommon for CCCP to copy western cars(from photos) and make their own versions of them, while being visually similar exterior wise, they had totally different mechanical parts under the body.)
    Unlike the NSU Prinz 4, the only similarity was the RR drivetrain/engine placement, . The suspension on NZU prinz 4 was Independent Coils Spring Wishbone on the front, and Swinging axle Coil Suspension on the rear, meanwhile Zaz 968m had Independent Torision Bar on the front, and Independent Coil Spring Semi Trailing Arm on the back.
    Zaz 968 had a 1196cc(1.2L) engine that pushed out 50 hp at 4500 rpm that had 80NM torque at compression ratio of 8:4:1 and zaz 968m that came later had 40hp 1197cc engine at 4400 rpm that had 54NM torque at compression ratio of 7:2:1 for 76-octane fuel(the worst quality commercial fuel).
    All ZAZ 965 to 968m models were air cooled(atleast in Eastern Europe) whit export model that had Renault engine was probably watercooled(sources didnt specify what kind of Renault 956cc engine was used, and all ZAZ car owners i had contact whit(trough online eastern europe tech forums, facebook groups(the one that specialized on zaz cars was mainly polish) didnt had seen a export version of ZAZ.
    The zaz 968 was notorious for using gasoline/gas(eg petroleum) heating system, usually made by car owners or engineers specializing in cars as hobby or small profit) since from my sources the car (probably/usually?) didnt come whit a heating system from factory.
    Basically the heating system worked on basis of a combustion chamber, continous fuel flow was going into combustion chamber where a spark plug would lit the gasoline inside, creating heat from the explosion that would be pumped trough ventilation system, however the spark plug system was not really reliable, so it was not uncommon for the ingiton spark plug to not lit the propellant used for heat generation, and since the system was dumb, more propellant was pumped in, causing bigger explosion to happen, that would really shake the car, and sometimes whit bigger continous candle failure the car would literally combust to fire, killing the occupants inside, my Grand grand mother knew a family of 2 who died due to the zaz heating system :( Rest In Peace!
    Also the car was built using Alkaline metal?(metal whit some kind of alkaline minerals), causing the easyness for the car to randomly combust in the fire(hence why Fire extinghusers were really the best friend of ZAZ owners.)
    Zaz 968m had Independent Torision Bar on the front, and Independent Coil Spring Semi Trailing Arm on the back, like i said in the previous post, but trough my research(i have done for last month or so, around a week after i wrote the last paragraph) i have found that all ZAZ 968(its getting tiring to write 968 all over again :D) models front suspension Torsion bars were used to take the bigger suspension hit, leaving coils to do less of the physical damping force, in the end allowing for weaker coil springs to be used(same sort of suspension used in zaz965: ).
    here is also a little book on google whit few pages about it : https://books.google.ee/books?id=YhpVAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA74&lpg=PA74&dq=people's+car+zaporozhets&source=bl&ots=fIWMl7A7J-&sig=gyLngd7mvxD0dbPvqQM6cDuc_RQ&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=people's car zaporozhets&f=false

    And whit my research(trough multiple Forums and ZAZ online clubs(even were ready for physical meeting, but local ZAZ club gave 2 poops about me.... Not even a single reply to my post where i asked for info about the different models and how suspension works, only 57 views....) i have gained access to quite a bit of detailed material about the car(thx for my Ungarian Source for sending me download links for all the info i needed and for all the Emails you sent me after i asked you some techical questions) (also thx to CCCP way of spreading information about their cars techical info for civilians whit a bit of engineering skill to repair the cars whit either spare parts or trough innovated DIY fixes, the only good thing that came out of CCCP aside the vodka and sense of unity for eastern bloc :D)

    Sorry for Spammy forum thread, i just worked on compiling all the info i had on the car and eventually only about quarter of it ended up here :)


    Currently i have more or less finished whit 3d model cut into smaller parts/submodels, and have begun retexturing the dashboard(have found a uv mapping problem....) and mentally put together the image of how the car suspension works in real life(its a interesting one). When i mange to fix the UV mapping bug, i will be able to start importing the model into Beamng and eventually make it fully driveable, whit some secret features not yet seen in BeamNG, including but hopefully not limited to a working glove compartment!


    This is my WIP/maybe in the future list:
    Green=Done,
    Yellow/Golden=WIP,
    Orange= Planned next,
    Red=cancelled or on hold,
    gray=maybe.



    ZAZ 968
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    Model
    Nodes
    Suspension
    Interior,
    Different versions for each


    ZAZ 968B

    ========
    Model
    Nodes
    Suspension
    Interior



    ZAZ 968m
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    Model
    Nodes
    Suspension

    Interior



    ZAZ 968X rally version(whit lighter body and aluminiumish body panels)
    Convertible
    Mini car equivalent to crotch rocket
    Barby car
    Mini monster truck
    Eastern European batmobile parody thingy
    Zaz Rider(parody of Lada Rider and Knight Rider)
    Zaz Delorean







    Little snippet from my and my source first contact, where he gave me links for the files:



    By downloading these files, you agree that you take responsibility for what might happen whit your computer, not me, not beamng drive development company and/or beamng drive publisher company!
    I scanned the files and they appear to be clean(but you can never be 100% sure)

    The safest way to see these files would be to download ubuntu install file, burn it to a dvd, and choose livecd/livedvd option on the boot menu(which boots up the ubuntu OS on the dvd drive, allowing you to only try out the ubuntu OS)! DO NOT USE CONSOLE if you dont know what you are doing(and no, online tutorials do not count, since they might scam you into deleting all info on your computer storage drive!!!!)

    Yes, I have some pdf files and photos which I uploaded. You can download them the following links:

    https://data.hu/get/10617927/968A_orosz.pdf
    https://data.hu/get/10617928/Mkatalog.pdf
    https://data.hu/get/10617929/ZAZ968M_orosz.pdf
    https://data.hu/get/10617939/ZAZ-suspension.zip
    (These links last 60 days before deleting themselves if a person hasnt downloaded them in past 60 days or so!)
    NOTE: This is a Hungarian, choose the “Lassu letoltes” button. It is slow, but free. Before the downloading you have to use Chapta, but it is also Hungarian. Unfortunately you must use dictionary (Google) for it. Sorry.
    “Nem vagyok robot” = “I am not a robot”
    “Válassza ki” = “Choose that”

    These are same files on GOOGLE DRIVE.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6vRqq08Rx2JRzdDbEhaUEVpNTA/view?usp=sharing
    https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B6vRqq08Rx2JYXVtaWxtdGw1V3M?usp=sharing
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6vRqq08Rx2JbzR5UERueG5OMWs/view?usp=sharing
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6vRqq08Rx2JbXBhN2lIS2ppRVk/view?usp=sharing
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6vRqq08Rx2JbFAyYnJjdWJRXzQ/view?usp=sharing


    Virustotal(website that scans your files whit multiple antivirus websits) links of scan results of these files:

    https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/...70a98446ace76b45d320b5ee/analysis/1499936042/

    https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/...758f7ed921d8d54bb5283432/analysis/1499936187/

    https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/...9ab0a9c400f23ff7b3bd0548/analysis/1499936316/

    https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/...804bc570b926b39a30a9dd65/analysis/1499936945/


    If beamng staff wants me to remove the links, pm me! I will remove them!

    If you happen to be legal owner of the files(pm me the company info and paperwork that proves you are legal owner of the files(eg sucessor of the CCCP company that created these books) and ill remove them!)
     
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  2. SimplyGaming

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    Wow! This looks really good!
     
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  3. Justaparps

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    So, this is the main problem i am having right now:

    Basically the dashboard uv map is broken(i built it up myself by using tutorial.

    So these are images of the dashboard problem i am having.





    The UV map(on the right side of the last image) should show each side of the dashboard in way of 2d panels, but for some reason all i get is a tiny rectancle, a triangle and some loose lines...

    While end result should be like 6 sides of the dashboard images....

    So this is the ketchup bottle tutorial, at the exact moment when uv map is created(and the one in the video actually looks like it should, meanwhile mine is some weird shapes and loose edges....

    Ill upload the current mod file tomorrow, so someone who knows the stuff could fix it?
     
  4. zestyfolfdude

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    I suggest you change the name and modify the design a bit.
     
  5. Justaparps

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    I changed it a bit, adding Zaporozhets in 3 languages. Problem whit this is that this car has ton of names, including but not limited to soap box, tikutops, Sapakas, Sapikas in Estonian alone, and the ZAZ 968M is the correct model name and most commonly known between all ex soviet nations.

    And i am working on the design, ill try to create the basic car first(zaz 968M) and then start creating accesories for it(eg roof rack, rally suspension, different sets of original/soviet wheels) and multiple engines.
     
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    Really hoping this doesn't die in 2 years.
     
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  7. Justaparps

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    In short term(3-6 months) it dosen't, since i dont have a job atm(hence free time to work on it) and i am finishing my school(this is my school final project, so this project is really important to me) :)
     
  8. Bakasan

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    Wow, that looks great! I've always wanted a properly done old school soviet car for Beam. It's really refreshing to see someone with a genuine passion to create something great, it's something rather uncommon;)
    If you need a hand with getting it in game/jbeam, I'd be happy to help out:)




    I don't know that much about UV mapping, but I find that "Smart UV Project" works much better than the regular "Unwrap"
    bee.png
    If all else fails, you can also use "Project From View", which matches the UV map to the current viewpoint of the mesh. It takes longet to get a good map, but it is sure to work;)
    zestyfolfdude was referring to the fact that real life cars are not allowed on the mod repository (because of legal/copyright reasons), so if you want to upload the mod there you will have to make it a "fictional" car.

    That said, I wouldn't bother changing the design of the car, what you can do is remove all the badges and rename it. Furthermore, these copyright laws don't apply to the forum, so you can upload whatever you want in this thread:)
     
  9. Justaparps

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    I did tought about making it a fictional car, haven't really got a name for it. :) I probably will name it Sapikas(One of the Estonian slangs for Lemon car(other being Sidrun, which is Lemon in Estonian) or Sapakas(short for zaparoshets, and its used only in estonia to refer to the car :) but i will keep the original name in forum post so real life ZAZ fans can find the fictional version! )

    I will accept your help when i get to jbeaming! :)

    Sadly i have no idea how the real car handles, since i don't have a driving license and not enough money to buy one of these "Isend"(Singular, means beast/vehicular example in Estonian) :)
    But there is one of these in the town where i live, so whit some money for the owner, i could take all the pics for moddeling i would ever need!:D


    Also thx for reminding me, i just asked my Info source if i can make some of the Intel he has given me public(he is a Hungarian hobbyst ZAZ mechanic(afaik, he has yard full of these cars dissasembled based on pictures he sent me....) and he has scanned 3 of ZAZ repair books for me to use! I will host them on my own google drive or mega account if i get his permission and if i can find the current owner of the books(eg publishing company that gained them after the CCCP collapse)

    Sorry for really broken English, I woke up like couple of hours ago and i am not a coffe person....
     
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    One of the russain modders made this too! But low quality
    I hope this will be better! keep up
     
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  11. Justaparps

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    He uses the same model(at least the same model we both are basing our work on)!.
    I know it because we both have the same interior dashboard gauges textures and the removable radio texture that looks like it was taken a picture of in 90's whit potato camera...(low quality) that i am currently replacing, however he did use a custom texture for rest of the Interior(mine is wavy gray, the one that came whit the model), while he replaced it whit some black texture, good for him =).
    They are making process instead of straight up ripping them! :D
    Everything else looks like what came whit the model(aside the chrome part textures).

    Its good that i have competition now, keeps my quality probably higher :)

    Anyway, current SITREP.

    It seems there are tons of unused Vertexes(the dot thingys) in the stock dashboard part of the body model.... Henche why UV mapping didnt work at first....

    Resuming my work on the dashboard indicator area texture now!

    Basically the car came whit 2 dashboards, a older one below



    And a newer one that my model uses(cause my car is based on newer version, but i will create a older version of the dashboard one day)!

     
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  12. Bakasan

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    That said, assuming the model is accurate, and you know things such as weight distribution, spring rates ect, the car should naturally handle like the real one, thanks to the way the game works;)
    Although if you owned the real one you could compare them to be sure!
     
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    Please make a Banger Racer version (one like this one raced earlier on in the year! believe it or not, it still ran until the start of the Demolition Derby!
    --- Post updated ---
    photo after the 1st race (Much shorter ha ha but still ran, certainly suprising!)


     
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  14. direct_UA

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    Sounds funny to me, these запоры are the cheapest cars here :D
     
  15. Justaparps

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    Will do :)


    The current planned models are:
    ZAZ 968M(smaller engine power wise(due to lower fuel compression), latest model, current model(as in the 3d model i am working on is ZAZ 968M)
    ZAZ 968(more similar to NSU Prinz, visually the same car, but whit big circular tractor like rear lights and rear ears:

    (I dont own the photo, photo owner is some guy in Poland)


    (Photo taken from Top Gear Footage, notice the round turn signal lights? Also this is the roof rack i plan to model.


    ZAZ 968X rally version(whit lighter body and aluminiumish body panels)
    Convertible
    Mini car equivalent to crotch rocket
    Barby car(whit those eyelash things for headlights)
    Mini monster truck(Its called Karakatitsa, basically fishermen build their cars(and even motorbikes....) into monster truck looking things, all in order to drive to thin ice and to fish on the ice.... Not the smartest people i know..., but fisherman has to fish to get income.... Type Karakatitsa in google, you will see what i am talking about... This is what happens when one drinks too much vodka.... https://www.google.com/search?q=karakatitsa&ie=UTF-8&hl=et&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi&tbm=isch&gws_rd=ssl

    AND

    https://www.google.com/search?q=pei...Wb3IHVAhVFAZoKHZ51ARkQsAQIUA&biw=1280&bih=958)


    An example(license plate reads "Strange 4":


    Eastern European batmobile parody thingy

    Zaz Rider(parody of Lada Rider and Knight Rider, video here: )

    Zaz Delorean

    And many more, if i get any ideas(pls no...)

    This is ZAZ 968(Gets tiredsome to write it out all the time :D) cut in half!
    Notice the rear engine? The car is RR, meaning engine in the rear, and rear wheels drive.




    Based on the derby picture, i am amazed it still managed to drive whit rear end bent into the engine like that....

    These are the source sites i use for mechanical specs(aside the suspension).
    http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=42581
    http://www.automobile-catalog.com/auta_details1.php



    I feel like i am, how to say politely, taking poop posting to next level.....
     
  16. direct_UA

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    zaz delorean
    what
     
  17. alex_333

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    One of these pics look familiar.
    IMG_0111.png

    On other note:
    Disney/Pixar is neat.
    IMG_0112.png

    Yea like a VIP or something.
    IMG_0113.png

    Wagon?
    IMG_0114.jpg
    IMG_0115.jpg
     
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  18. Justaparps

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    There was a wagon model, but it was a factory test(if my sources are right), but that didnt stop random engineers do a great job at giving a normal zaz 968 a wagon body whit extended chassis....
    So in short, 99% of zaz wagons you see, if my sources are right, are self made, not a factory option!
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    Also i have hit the bricks whit texturing.... basically my whole project is in blender render(not cycles.....), not my option, the export of the maya file imported it to blender render..... >.< =_=......

    I have uvmapped the f...... dashboard instrument panel, but due to that i cant texture it..... Can anyone tell me how the h.... am i supposed to be able to texture it inside blender render?...

    Sorry, i am so pissed off right now..... Been working on it for almost 12 hours......
     
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  19. direct_UA

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    No no no, all the 968 wagons are homemade. There was a pickup body tho, for working inside the factory.
    ZAZ968MP_1.jpg
     
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  20. Justaparps

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    Also i have hit the bricks whit texturing.... basically my whole project is in blender render(not cycles.....), not my option, the export of the maya file imported it to blender render..... >.< =_=......

    I have uvmapped the f...... dashboard instrument panel, but due to that i cant texture it..... Can anyone tell me where i
    The wagon/universal test was for 966(or a non released factory test) then. All those zaz are making me insane :D
     
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