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Gavril D15

Discussion in 'Official Content' started by gabester, Aug 6, 2012.

  1. IAchievedBacon

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    Has anyone pointed out about the Cut Hood bug? I'm surprised it hasn't been talked about but the Cut Hood freaks out and has a seizure once it loads in. No way to avoid it either. So maybe we could look forward to a fixed version of it in the second half of the revamp?
     
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  2. ktheminecraftfan

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    Yep hope that's one thing I hope will be fixed in the next update. yeah, why would the higher trims still have bench seats let alone without headrests? My dad's 93 courier Ute has headrests so I would think a full size pickup of the time would.
     
  3. ManfredE3

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    I just realized that there is a HD version of the shorty in game. I just wanted to point out that quirk, but does anyone have any thoughts on it?.. I assume it's just there because (I think) every D-Series frame has an HD varient, so maybe it's just easier to keep that pattern and deal with having the extra frame and any maintenance that comes with it?..

    For the sake of conversation about it... I can't think of any need for an HD D10. What would that even be called, a D20?.. I can't think of any real life analogues either. The closest I could think of is the M1009, but AFAIK the important bits were all standard Blazer on those.
     
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    And of course, it can't be removed now because you just know someone out there has a custom config that relies on it.

    Welp, there's nothing for it, now, BeamNG needs an official war machine.
     
  5. YellowRusty

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    I think that short heavy-duty frame is there mainly for off-road configurations. More resistance to bending when rock-crawling or bouncing over rough terrain.

    I can't imagine why Gavril would go to the trouble of creating one - unless it was a revision to the model when they realized their customer base was being rougher with the truck than they expected.
     
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  6. ktheminecraftfan

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    A screenie that Nadeox shared.
    Looks like the D10 in this has a new rear bumper. Maybe a prefacelift model might be coming?
     

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  7. KozyKat

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    The camper shell also looks different.
     
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  8. SuperAusten64

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    It's not a camper shell, it's a roof. It's a short-frame SUV, like the Bronco, K5 Blazer, or Tahoe.
     
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  9. YellowRusty

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    That's because it's the new one for the shortened, one-piece body variant that's recently received the official name of 'Charro'.
     
  10. ManfredE3

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    That would actually be a cool way to replace/update the Marauder config...
    upload_2020-3-15_14-59-34.jpeg
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  11. KozyKat

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    Ah, I see. I had forgotten about the new body-style.
     
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    hd offroad suspension lift would be cool to have for building lifted duallys and toolboxes and headache racks for the long bed or short bed and maybe have the ability to put off-road lights on top
     
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  13. YellowRusty

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    So, I saw what @Stoat Muldoon posted, and I do have to say that I'm excited... Just look at all those new parts! A stepside bed! New 10-lug wheels! Chrome slab bumpers! White fiberglass camper shells! A whole new generation!

    But I do have a few reservations about that 1985+ date. Something about this truck just does not scream "1985" to me, especially for an American truck.



    Take a close look at these three 1985-model year trucks, paying close attention to the little fixtures - mirrors, door handles, window frames, light/reflector bezels, along with the bigger styling cues up front, particularly the proportions of the grille.

    upload_2020-3-19_19-44-10.png

    There's a lot of stuff there that doesn't quite match up with the new screenshots:
    • The D-series has flush plastic door handles, while the real-life trucks have the old-style chrome type that juts out.
    • Window frames and reflector bezels are partly chrome on the real life trucks, compared to the fully rubber/plastic used on the D-series.
    • Crucially, mirrors are fully metal, and mounted lower on the door instead of being attached at the corner of the window.
    • Lastly, grilles are larger, with "egg crate" grid patterns that have large rectangular holes between cross-members. The exact styling of these last two points varies, but it is a characteristic design feature across American trucks of all makes during that time period.
    I do think that we need to do something about this - as-is. the D-series doesn't look like it belongs in 1985. Maybe 1988 or 1989, but even then, some of those fixtures weren't yet on most American trucks. They had made their way onto Japanese trucks - but remember that Japan's economy at that time put Japanese companies in a better position to invest in development.

    Taking into account some of the feedback already floating around in the update speculation thread, I'd like to propose a two-pronged approach to adjusting the D-series to make it better fit in - Revise some of the planned content slightly, and then further split the facelift into two facelifts.

    Revising:

    1. A set of new diffuse maps and specular maps would allow for quick installation of chrome window frames and a metallic texture on the door handles (I suppose keeping the flush door handles would be necessary, but using a metal texture might make them stand out less, provided the aim is for a commercial-grade utilitarian style like on the T-series). The diffuse map would also turn the triangle in the corner of the windows to a metal plate.
    2. There might be some merit to slightly redesigning that new front grille, valance, and bumper. We're somewhat limited in what we can do with the headlights and turn signals, given that we have to fit in the same space vacated by the '90s turn signals, but I think that we can get something really good by adjusting the center. Take a look at these two images, original and revised:
    upload_2020-3-19_21-4-43.png upload_2020-3-19_21-14-35.png

    In this render, I've extended the grille downwards, adding a couple of bars until it met the vertical band on the valance, which has been sucked in flush with the bottom of the grille. This produces a squarer, simpler, no-frills look, with the added bonus of being easier and cheaper for an automaker to mass-produce in the high volumes typical of pickup trucks. As a result, the top surface of the "new" 1985 bumper may need to be extended backwards to fill in any gap created by sucking in the valance.

    This would require two parts to be revised, plus the creation of one:
    1. The valance
    2. The 1985-91 grille
    3. The Chrome trim textures for existing 3D models would need to be created.
    I also like @JorgePinto 's idea of adding optional hood lettering. I always remember that as the coolest feature of my uncle's 1985 ford, and since there was sort of a promotional war going on in the truck market between the big 3 at the time, they made certain to brand their products with large logos that could be read from further away. If nothing else, the size of the current grille badge should probably be increased to something closer to the size GMC used.

    Splitting the Facelift

    Now that's no reason to toss the baby out with the bathwater here - some of these parts that already have been put in the game might still have a use: as the 1988-1991 D-series. I'd like to propose keeping the stuff that Stoat has already has completed, but breaking the D-series up into three generations:
    • The 1985-87 D-series is as per the revisions I've described above, but with the other option for headlights (the one previewed on the green truck above, sealed beams set deeply into the bezels) and an egg-crate grill with big rectangular openings.
    • The 1988-90 D-series is exactly as Stoat showed it in the preview image of the tan truck - as it is currently prepared to go into the game. This generation would not require its own bumper - the version from the '85-'87 would still fit, even if all of the top surface was not visible under the valance.
    • The currently available generation of D-series playable in the game right now is retconned into becoming the 1991-94 D-series.
    Since plans are to split the configurations between the two generations anyway, adding a third won't require a whole bunch more new configurations (at least in the short-term. It might be a different story once the entire game is finalized).

    If this is done, the following three parts would need to be created, plus one would need to be revised:
    1. Chrome trim textures for existing 3D models
    2. 1985-87 'flush' valance
    3. 1985-87 'eggcrate' front grill
    4. In addition, the 1985-91 front bumper would need to be revised slightly to fill any gap left by the 85-87 valance.
    Now that that's over and done with, I am incredibly excited to see this truck arrive in any form, whether or not my suggestions are taken. Stoat and the team have really hit the mark on this - this was something that will fit perfectly in the game, and is an awesome thing to have waiting in the wings for career mode!

    (I've trimmed this post down to reflect the changes made to the mirrors today, as well as to add a little more clarity on the number of parts needed to fulfill this suggestion. The mirrors were bothering a lot of people, and I want to thank the dev team for taking that change into consideration. In the interest of transparency, the original version of this post has been archived inside the following spoiler)

    So, I saw what @Stoat Muldoon posted, and I do have to say that I'm excited... Just look at all those new parts! A stepside bed! New 10-lug wheels! Chrome slab bumpers! White fiberglass camper shells! A whole new generation!



    But I do have a few reservations about that 1985+ date. Something about this truck just does not scream "1985" to me, especially for an American truck.







    Take a close look at these three 1985-model year trucks, paying close attention to the little fixtures - mirrors, door handles, window frames, light/reflector bezels, along with the bigger styling cues up front, particularly the proportions of the grille.



    upload_2020-3-19_19-44-10.png



    There's a lot of stuff there that doesn't quite match up with the new screenshots:

    • The D-series has flush plastic door handles, while the real-life trucks have the old-style chrome type that juts out.
    • Window frames and reflector bezels are partly chrome on the real life trucks, compared to the fully rubber/plastic used on the D-series.
    • Crucially, mirrors are fully metal, and mounted lower on the door instead of being attached at the corner of the window.
    • Lastly, grilles are larger, with "egg crate" grid patterns that have large rectangular holes between cross-members. The exact styling of these last two points varies, but it is a characteristic design feature across American trucks of all makes during that time period.
    I do think that we need to do something about this - as-is. the D-series doesn't look like it belongs in 1985. Maybe 1988 or 1989, but even then, some of those fixtures weren't yet on most American trucks. They had made their way onto Japanese trucks - but remember that Japan's economy at that time put Japanese companies in a better position to invest in development.

    Taking into account some of the feedback already floating around in the update speculation thread, I'd like to propose a two-pronged approach to adjusting the D-series to make it better fit in - Revise some of the planned content slightly, and then further split the facelift into two facelifts.

    Revising:

    1. A set of new diffuse maps and specular maps would allow for quick installation of chrome window frames and a metallic texture on the door handles (I suppose keeping the flush door handles would be necessary, but using a metal texture might make them stand out less, provided the aim is for a commercial-grade utilitarian style like on the T-series). The diffuse map would also turn the triangle in the corner of the windows to a metal plate. upload_2020-3-19_20-55-52.png
    2. This would allow for regular and one heavy-duty mirrors, made of metal and mounted outside of the window frame on the door itself. Personally, I would also hope for heavy-duty "chevron" mirrors as a third option:
    3. Lastly, there might be some merit to slightly redesigning that new front grille, valance, and bumper. We're somewhat limited in what we can do with the headlights and turn signals, given that we have to fit in the same space vacated by the '90s turn signals, but I think that we can get something really good by adjusting the center. Take a look at these two images, original and revised:
    upload_2020-3-19_21-4-43.png upload_2020-3-19_21-14-35.png

    I've extended the grille downwards, adding a couple of bars until it met the vertical band on the valance, which has been sucked in flush with the bottom of the grille. This produces a squarer, simpler, no-frills look, with the added bonus of being easier and cheaper for an automaker to mass-produce in the high volumes typical of pickup trucks. As a result, the top surface of the "new" 1985 bumper should be extended backwards to fill in any gap created by sucking in the valance

    I also like @JorgePinto 's idea of adding optional hood lettering. I always remember that as the coolest feature of my uncle's 1985 ford, and since there was sort of a promotional war going on in the truck market between the big 3 at the time, they made certain to brand their products with large logos that could be read from further away. If nothing else, the size of the current grille badge should probably be increased to something closer to the size GMC used.

    Splitting the Facelift

    Now that's no reason to toss the baby out with the bathwater here - some of these parts that already have been put in the game might still have a use: as the 1988-1991 D-series. I'd like to propose keeping the stuff that Stoat has already has completed, but breaking the D-series up into three generations:
    • The 1985-87 D-series is as per the revisions I've described above, but with the other option for headlights (the one previewed on the green truck above, sealed beams set deeply into the bezels) and an egg-crate grill with big rectangular openings.
    • The 1988-90 D-series is exactly as Stoat showed it in the preview image of the tan truck - as it is currently prepared to go into the game.
    • The currently available generation of D-series playable in the game right now is retconned into becoming the 1991-94 D-series.

    Since plans are to split the configurations between the two generations anyway, adding a third won't require a whole bunch more new configurations (at least in the short-term. It might be a different story once the entire game is finalized).

    Now that that's over and done with, I am incredibly excited to see this truck arrive in any form, whether or not my suggestions are taken. Stoat and the team have really hit the mark on this - this was something that will fit perfectly in the game, and is an awesome thing to have waiting in the wings for career mode!
     
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  14. ManfredE3

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    Trimming that quote on mobile would not be fun, so I'm not going to.

    Concerning the door handles, trim, etc... A couple of non-me people have suggested just have another door to raise the window and deal with the trim and mirror placement. IMO that's a good sollution.

    I 100% agree with Rusty's idea of having 3 facelifts for the truck. I do like the look of what was shown off and love the new valence, but it really is more of an inbetween revision than a 1980's truck.

    I want to emphasize that it's great we are getting a pre-facelift and I appreciate all the work going into the D-Series, but as is the new parts are an alternative, not a pre-facelift.
     
  15. Nutkin

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    The D-series is justified in having plastic mirrors. There definitely were plastic mirrors in 1985. If Gavril revised the D-series in the 70s then it absolutely needs chrome mirrors, but if Gavril revised the D-series in 1985, then the mirror material choice is arbitrary and could be either. I'm definitely down for Chrome Mirrors, I just don't see why an 80s Truck needs to have chrome mirrors to be an 80s truck.
     
  16. TubroTerra

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    All Pickup trucks had chrome mirrors until 1990s
     
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  17. AR162B

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    cough, cough :p
    screenshot_2020-03-16_23-01-21.jpg screenshot_2020-03-20_09-21-33.jpg
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    chrome doorhandles, metal doormirrors, heavy duty metal door mirrors (taken from the semi), a straight valance, hood lettering...

    it is not perfect 70s as I want to have the modded parts interchangeable with the original ones.

    Your description does look bit like what jpod74 did in this post, combining my D-series mod with Reactor_4aec's D15 Bandito mod:


    I think I do like the new update, it seems to compliment my stuff instead of making it redundant :)

    @Stoat Muldoon ; might it be a useful thing to make the dashboards a separate part? That will make it possible to have older or even race dashboards.
    Like the screenshot below, in this case the (station wagon) body jbeam was already custom so I added this dashboard slot. I did not do this to the original body jbeams to prevent unnecessary duplications.
    screenshot_2020-03-19_17-52-23.jpg
     
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  18. enjoyinorc6742

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    new fenders would solve the issue completely with the grille and allow for it and the headlights to be larger and extend lower.
     
  19. YellowRusty

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    I think that what I was suggesting about the door handles was understood, but for the sake of ensuring clarity, I'm going to just add a few pictures in here:

    What I'm proposing with the door handles is that we keep the existing (presumably refreshed) model, but use a new specular map to turn them into metal. This gives them a bit more of a visual link to the T-series, while edging slightly closer to the real-life trucks.

    upload_2020-3-20_8-56-3.png upload_2020-3-20_8-57-9.png

    I'm not entirely sold on creating a new set of doors - but you do raise some valid points. There is an oddity where the bottom edge of the window is lower than any other real-world example, but we're already adding an awful lot of parts. A full set of new doors (front, rear extended cab, and rear crew cab) adds six new parts.

    The answer lies somewhere in the middle here. There were plastic mirrors in 1985 - but only on cars, Japanese pickups, and captive-import pickups. The full-size American truck was universally still being outfitted with metal mirrors mounted to the doors in 1985.

    That changed by 1988-89. Plastic (or at least black-painted) mirrors started to appear on full-size trucks, especially Chevrolets.



    I was wondering what was going to happen to my favorite mod. So far things are looking good for you.
     
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  20. JRC99

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    Another thing it's missing is vent windows, every 80s fullsize truck until 1988 had them. and I also feel like the roof shape is just too later 80s-90s, but I honestly can't quite put it into words. The B pillar and door/window frames aren't quite thick enough I don't think.

    Also, that triangle in the windows, I'd just remove it. If you look at interior pictures of those 80s trucks, or just closely at the outside, the window went right up to the metal frame of the door.
     
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