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Discussion in 'Ideas and Suggestions' started by Donken, Aug 6, 2012.
Badass if you ask me.
It's actually kinda hilarious how tragic that name would be only like 10-15 years after the car came out
Yeah... it was the lowest of the three in that series
"The Dictator was Studebaker's lowest-price model, followed (in ascending order) by the Studebaker Commander and Studebaker President series." (from the article)
from the very article you quoted:
"The name was intended to connote that the model 'dictated the standard' that other automobile makes would be obliged to follow."
the car was named "dictator" before talk of political dictators, and was not meant to refer to such people.
the term despot however, has not real alternative meanings.
so unless the name is meant to be an ironic jab, it doesn't fit.
Hows this for some Lore on "British BeamNG" - https://www.beamng.com/threads/beamng-realistic-community-lore-project.66072/page-17#post-1171879
I made it a while ago but have just updated it, incase anyone doesnt want to go to the post ill also put it here
Im hoping this hasnt been done but I'd love to be the "guy" for a BMC/British Leyland/Austin Rover type company for BeamNG. I am a huge fan of their cars and have had some ideas.
This is a complete backstory and guide of BMM and the brands that make up it.
-A Bit of backstory On BMM-
BMM (British Moors Motor-Cars). Founded in 1960 and headquaters set in the Yorkshire Moors (hence the name) it was an agreed merger of the Marlon, Ainsley and Chorley businesses (Morris, Austin, Rover), later aquiring Lyons (Triumph/MG) in 1969. BMM acquired the shares in these companies and ran them (Much like BL). (More companies may be added later)
Initially sales were fantastic with cars such as the Ainsley/Marlon Kipper (Mini in real life - I have a mod of this https://www.beamng.com/resources/ainsley-mini-kipper-1275.4263/) which was being developed in the 50s by Ainley and upon the merger a Marlon version was developed (more on the cars later) and this was a sales success. All throught the 60s they were Britains biggest car maker absolutely crushing the competition such as Gavril UK and other British marques however during the 70s, everything fell apart for BMM.
By the late 60s BMM were set designing replacing models for their existing range of vehicles set for release in the early 70s (again, more on the cars later) but the fuel crisis was fast approaching and workers were starting to strike. This lead to set-backs and in order for the new cars to reach market on time massive cut backs were put in place. This lead to cars being built so badly they leaked and rusted in the showrooms. This slowly destroyed all the fanfare and prestigue BMM had built up over the previous decade and the cars earned such bad reputation they was almost impossible to regain.
By 1980 the strikes had died down and BMM was in tatters. They were completely bankrupt and had lost all prestigue they gained just 10 years before, known now for shoddy, baddly designed, badly built rot boxes. The government granted them one final bale out in 1979 so revitalise and this had to work. There was no alternative.
-Ainsley-Lyons-Chorley Group era-
BMM was then renamed Ainsley-Lyons-Chorley Group in January 1980 (If they had any existing brands, such as Marlon, were discontinued in 1982) and they set to work. For Lyons and Chorley and they partnerd with Ibishu to make reliable sports cars for Lyons and reliable family cars for Chorley (similar to Rover in real life) that would come to market in 1982 and these cars were as huge success. (from 1980-1982 they sold facelifted varients of previous models). Showing the world that Britain could make relible, good cars. For Ainsley however things didt go so well.
In the government bail out contract it was reqiued that they had to create at least one model not based on any other companies design. So the idea was that Lyons and Chorley's Ibishu-based cars would be cheap to develop so the governments money could go towards a new set of vehicles under the Ainlsey brand. However the Kipper was still being sold until 2000. A small hatch (smililar to the Metro) and a family car (similar to the Montego/Maestro/Acclaim) was developed and brought to market in 1982. These, initially, were a success but too soon by 1986 these cars were outdated and they had no money to develop new models. Sadly the only option was to keep facelifting the same outdated designs right into the late 90s. The Ibishu based cars sadly didn't develop enough money to revitalise the Ainsley brand and the near 20 year old cars (by the late 90s) cost Ainsley-Lyons-Chorley Group millons and sadly were facing bankrupsy again by 1997. Happily two companies Bruckell and Changcheng saw the potential in Ainsley-Lyons-Chorley Group and bought them in 1997.
-Bruckell and Changcheng era-
Bruckell and Changcheng imediatley discontinued the Metro-like and the Montego/Maestro type cars in 1997 and cut all ties with Ibishu so they could use their own cars basis. In January 1998 they renamed Ainsley-Lyons-Chorley Group to just Lyons-Chorley Group and dropping the Ainsley brand. The saving grace for Lyons-Chorley Group was Lyons. Their sports cars were a huge success and had the funds to develop a new sports car that would become a huge success but Chorley was much more difficult. By the late 90s the Ibishu-based Chorley cars had gained the repuation of a grandads cheap runabout not the great value luxury car they were ment to be so Chorleys future was looking bleak. They made a new family car based off the new Bruckell and this (while still having the old mans reputation) was an okay seller and every since then Lyons has been a success and Chorley has slowly been gaining market share with Bruckell-based family cars with British styling.
I hope you like this idea I have spent hours laying out timelines and sculpting a backstory so I hope you like it. I have also Made detailed Lores for the Brands of BMM so they are underneath...
Spoiler: Chorley (In detail)
Chorley I assume is a brand similar to Rover in real life. A brand that made luxury cars until the 80s when an Ibishu merger left the brand stale and inept of all prestigue.
Chorley was founded in 1898 being one of Britains first manafactures it made cars for the very ritch and famous and was a forfront in car design. By the 1940s they started making tanks for the war and needed a kickstart after the war to get back into luxury car making. They started by naming their cars with numbers (Like Ainsley at the time) but instead of naming them as they came out (e.g. 1/2/3/4) they would name the cars by engine size with a letter corresponding to the Mark of the car before the engine size. They were hugely popular with cars such as the Chorley A3500 and B3500 until 1960 when they merged with Ainsley and Marlon to form BMM.
During the 60s they made cool, yet understated cars with lovely big i6 and v8 engines that pandered to the ritch and famous. (Like the rover p5/6 and jaguars at the time in real life) but in the 70s things fell aprt somewhat.
Unlike the other brands of BMM like Lyons, Ainsley and Marlon Chorley stayed quite healthy with cars such as the S3500 (Rover SD1 in real life) and afew other models but still were plagued with the reliability issues as the other brands at the time and by the late 70s were loosing money and didnt have enough of it to develop a new model
Thankfully in 1979 the government bailed out BMM and by 1980 they had revitalised removing unnessisary brands such as Marlon in 1982. This brand along with Lyons teamed up with Ibishu to save the brand and in 1982 they brought an Ibishu-based family car to market. Now this car along with the many Ibishu based Chorleys after was a massive success but there was a problem. Previously Chorley was known to make luxury, no comprimise cars that were fantastic but these new Ibishu-based cars gained the reputation of being grandad cars due to the fact they were basically a slightly redesigned ibishu family car with wood screwd to the dash and sold pretty cheap. This sadly ment Chorley was losing prestigue and by the mid to late 90s money as well as people didnt want these bland grandads cars.
When the company was bought by Bruckell and Changcheng they imediately cut ties with Ibishu and developed Chorley cars based of bruckell underpinnings. This was better for sales, they didnot regain the prestegue of the past but at least the cars sold okay. Chorley carried on making Bruckell based family cars to this day and along with Lyons make up the Lyons-Chorley Group.
Spoiler: Lyons (In detail)
I invision Lyons as a company very similar to Triumph and MG making sporty, very fasionable cars in the 60s. Despite being very cool and making extremely good cars they were opertating at a loss due to high RND costing and managment issues (somethig that would later plague BMM itself) so BMM aquired the brand in the late 60s and made some changes by facelifting the slightly outdated 60s sleek sports cars to a more 70s style and developing a more atainable sports car using existing small "Ainley engines". (This car is very similar to the Triumph Vitesse/Herald in real life) This helped increase sales for the company using its prestege to sell the cheaper car and this in tern lead to more sales of their higher vauled cars. Similar in real life to the TR and Stag lines)
Initially, sales were strong but the fuel crisis of the 70s and the massive quality issues along with worker strikes caused massive upset with buyers and the brand lost all its prestigue. This was very bad and so they tried to reinvent the high end sports car (similar to the TR line of cars in real life)making it a stricking furturistic design in the late 70s. This new car was a sales disaster and Lyons almost went into liquidation in early 1984 so they needed to save the brand.
They partnerd up with Ibishu in the Spring of 1984 and set to work(Just like triumph and Honda). So in 1985 they discontinued all previous models and brought to market an all new Lyons Sports car (based on the current (in 1985) generation 200bx from releaseing in late 1982. One generation before the one we see in Beamng currently) as well as making awesome sporty versions of existing Ainsley and Chorley cars and this saved the company (Unlike in real life). All the reliability issues were solved and the brand regained its fanbase and prestigue. So much so that when BMMC (then called Ainsley-Lyons-Chorley Group)fell apart in the late 90s this (along with Chorley) survived and is successful to this day under the name Lyons-Chorley Group, designing 100% British designs.
Spoiler: Ainsley (In detail)
Ainsley is the first of 2 brands created by me the second of which is Marlon. Ainsley is a brand similar to Austin.
Aisnley was founded in 1908 and had minimal success until the 1920s. In the 1920s they released a car called the Ainsley 1. A super cheap and very popular car that took allmost all of Marlons market share by the late 30s. After the war the car was to unsafe to keep in production so a new car was developed called the Austin 2 and later the Austin 2 1/2 that were reasonable successful until being merged with Marlon and Chorley in 1960. However during the 1950s a car was being devleoped to replace the Austin 2 and 2 1/2 that would become a British icon and be one of the worlds best selling cars. The Ainsley Kipper.
The Ainsley kipper was a small compact car which had the amazing idea of putting the engine transversely and making the car front-wheel-drive (like the mini) but the RND for this car took up most of the companies money (hence the 1960 merger). The car would be sold along with the Marlon Varient until 1982 when the Marlon version was dropped. But the car was so successful it was sold until the year 2000. (In 1997 the Ainsley name was dropped and it was just called The Kipper until 2000). It came in 1l or 1.3l engines and was loved by anyone from rockstars to the poorest family. The Kipper was for everyone
Also during the 60s Ainsley was very successful making mid-sized family cars (similar to the Austin 1100/1300/Maxi in real life) and made BMM very popular. But in the 70s everything went wrong.
As with other manurfactures Ainsley was hit with strikes and budget cuts so the new range of vehicles were a disaster. They made a family car to replace the mid sized family cars of the 60s (similar to the Allegro in real life) and this was a disaster with rist and reliability issues.
They also tried to reinvent the car with the Ainley King (Austin Princess in real life) a wedge shaped odd looking car that was a sales disaster.
Both these cars somehow made it too 1982 with a facelift in 1980 and was replaced by the Ainsley-Lyons-Chorley Groups new family car which was a success to start with but was soon outdated by about 1986. They kept facelifting the car until 1997 when Bruckell and Changcheng discontinued not only the car but the brand in 1997 ending what was 89 years of car making.
Also in in 1982 they released a small car that was ment to replace the Kipper but ironically the kipper outlived it by 3 years (that was similar to the Metro in real life) this also was continuestly facelifted until 1997 when it was dropped along with the Ainsley name.
Spoiler: Marlon (In detail)
This is another original Brand (Similar to Morris in real life)
Marlon was founded in the early 1900s and was a successful family car maker just like Ainsley (Their main competetor) however after the war they were struggling so they created the Marlon Triffling (Morris Minor) which was a cute bubbly cheap family car this sold exeptionally for 20 years but by the late 50s it was struggling with sales so reluctantly they agreed to murge with Ainsley, Lyons and Chorley to form BMM.
To replace the Minor they made a varient of the Aisnley Kipper (similar to classic mini in real life) called the Morris Kipper that would sell along with eachother until 1982 when the Marlon name was dropped. It was essentially a badge engineered version of the Ainsley Kipper and past 1970 it was the only good car Marlon made.
However they also wanted a large, yet, cheap family car (because during the 60s Chorley was a Luxury brand and Ainsley was a mid-size family car brand (with exception of the Kipper)), so they created the Marlon Moors (Because BMM was based in Yorkshire) which was a large and cheap family car (similar to the Morris Cowley or Ford Cortina) and this was a huge success.
During the 60s the Marlon name was mostly used for Comercial purposes with vans and trucks under the Marlon-Comercial Line but this was dropped in 1970 in favour of the name BMM-Comercial Vehicles (a subsidery of BMM).
In the late 60s BMM wanted to refresh all the existing brands keeping only the high end Lyons sports car models and the Ainsley/Morris Kipper so they set to work making Marlon a large/cheap family car maker. Creating a car to replace the previous model. This would be known as the Marlon Merrier (like the Morris Marina in real life) this was a disaster. Oil crisis and strikes ment the car was rushed to market and suffered terminal rust and reliablility issues. It was so bad it would be one of Marlons only models during the 70s and was almost soley responsible to the demise of BMM and recieved a Minor facelift to make it look more "80s" in 1980 (like the Morris Ital) and was discontinued in 1982. This was the last car to be sold under the Marlon name (along with the Kipper) as Marlon as a brand was Discontued in 1982.
There you have it. Over 100 years of BeamNG British car Lore. I hope everyone likes it
It was posted like 40 minutes after mine
And I meant a fully new car
2009 Burnside X8-R422
A tuned stock config for the 2005 Gavril B-Series
X8-R422 stands for "8 cylinder, Rear wheel drive, 422 HP"
Uses a 6/7 speed RWD Supercharged V8
Due to modern TCS and tire technologies, this car wont spin when its losing control.
Has a racing variant for GT4 class. that is just the normal version with slicks and racing interior
1998 Ibishu Sabelle
1997 Nissan R'nessa
FWD (front-wheel drive), automatic 4-speed gearbox
gasoline (petrol) engine with displacement: 1998 cm3 / 122.4 cu
2005 Hirochi Blammy
2005 Toyota Cami
1.3i 16V P (90 Hp) 4WD Automatic
1.3i 16V P (90 Hp) 4WD
1.3 i 16V Turbo (140 Hp) 4WD Automatic
1.3 i 16V P (90 Hp) 2WD Automatic
1.3 i 16V Turbo (140 Hp) 4WD Automatic
1956 - 1960 ETK 550 (Based off the 1957 BMW 507 and the 1958 Ferrari 250 GT)
"Purity on four wheels"
The ETK 550 is the car that laid the groundwork for cars like the K-Series, a two door sports car that puts performance above all else. The 550 is for the driver who realizes that you don't need cutting edge tech to make a car an absolute dream to drive, even when it's over half a century old.
The Departed: This old 550 has been abused and abandoned by someone who thinks all cars are nothing more then appliances. It's covered in rust, dirt, scratches, and dust, most of it's parts are worn down beyond repair, and it's engine can barely start most of the time. This 550 is in desperate need of some TLC.
Standard: Equipped with a 147hp 3.2L V8 coupled to a 4 speed manual transmission. This is the best handling roadster 1950s Germany had to offer.
Track: Built to dominate the race track, this modified 550 comes with a 155hp 3.2L V8 coupled to a 4 speed racing manual transmission, a roll bar, racing suspension, racing brakes, racing tires, and a racing numbers on the doors and hood.
Restomod: This 550 has been brought to up to modern standards. Comes equipped with a 325hp Turbocharged 3.0L I6 and a 6 speed manual transmission out of a Kc6t, racing coilovers, 4 wheel disc brakes, ETK 5Sport wheels, sport tires, a Nomi racing wheel, and a ESC system.
Exterior and Interior: (Based on the standard model)
Throw in a 1958/59 Plymouth and beamng.drive will have all classics it would need.
Though a '55 Bel Air would be nice to see.
2004-2007 Gavril Limestone
(2004-2007 Mercury Monterey)
Have you ever wanted a Minivan, but it just isn't comfortable enough for you. Well now you never have to deal with that again. Introducing the all new 2004 Gavril Limestone! An affordable Luxury alternative to other Minivans! It comes folding seats, parking assist, cupholders, and more! It gets a good rating in the BIHS Crash test and it's very quick around corners and straightaways!
Configurations (can be ordered with any stock model): RWD, FWD, 5 speed automatic, AWD, 6 speed Manual
Neglected: This Limestone has been run into the ground. Mechanically totaled, with moldy seats, a blown head gasket and 1,000,000 miles, it's safe to say this one is headed for the scrapyard. Also did I mention it comes with a portable toilet seat?
ES (FWD): Base model with a 5 speed automatic transmission and an Inline 4
ESE (RWD): Mid Trim model with a 5 speed manual and a turbocharged V6.
F (A): Top of the line model with all wheel drive, a supercharged V8, and a 5 speed automatic.
F (M): Top of the line model with all wheel drive, a supercharged V8, and a 6 speed manual.
Hell S'more (M): This Limestone was nothing but a rusty shell until it was repaired and swapped with 900 Horsepower V12, grippy tires, and race suspension. This is the ultimate minivan.
If there's ever going to be a vanilla Fire Truck ingame (fingers crossed - and probably already planned) it should definitely get a cabover design - another variant of the T-Series?
Don't even try to suppress your laughter - I'm not experienced enough in detailed vehicle design but was in need of a quick example:
Other than my poor inspiration it might be featuring a clean design, upfits for garbage / engine / ladder / rescue trucks - day cab in this photo as a crew cab for fire trucks, etc.
With mrcrash as a new team member i guess the chances, my dream may come true someday, got a nice multiplier - glancing at the MAN fire truck
That's not a bad model for something done quick, but I'll laugh anyway, simply because you asked me to
Sorry for the potential off-topic but to be fair and just in case you really haven't recognised it:
I simply abused the collada file of the T-Series, ripped off the hood, moved the cab and sleeper to the front - not minding any physical obstacles like the engine itself or axles - and decided to crappy-weld the hood back to its original position. The only objects I've added were the cube / rectangle shapes to demonstrate the possible fire engine configuration. I cannot unsee that most american cab-over trucks look like the designers / engineers basically did the same with a little more effort.
I know these aren't vehicles but I think that some more interesting props to hit (or just haul around) would be cool, such as:
Couch and armchair
I am going to have more:
Flower Pot with and without flowers:
Ibishu Electronica ER980 (Or simply Laptop)
Also old computer parts (monitor, CPU, keyboard, mouse, etc.
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Would be cool to hit it or carry it with my next vehicle suggestion: 1983-2002 Gavril C-Series
An American cabover truck, based off the Peterbilt 362 and Freightliner FLB
lore friendly cars are great. maybe a 1935 gavril roamer because im sick of people begging for pre-war car mods
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2006 - 2014 Hirochi Excel (Based off the 2011 Toyota Camry and the 2012 Nissan Maxima)
"Better then the rest"
The Hirochi Excel is a cheap economy car so bland it puts crossovers to shame. The Excel is the perfect family car you can hand down to your teenage child to show them that driving is nothing like what early 2000s street racing games has made it out to be and that you expect nothing but the blandest future possible for them. Alternatively, you could buy a car that actually makes you happy, because that's not what the Excel will do.
GS: Powered by a 158hp 2.4L I4 coupled to a 5 speed manual or automatic transmission. Also equipped with a radio, A/C, and plastic panels galore on the inside. Available in FWD or AWD.
LX: Equipped with the same engine, but it comes with the choice of a 6 speed manual or automatic transmission. Also comes with alloy wheels, fog lights, a two tone interior, power windows, and a touchscreen. Available in FWD or AWD.
Student Driver: An automatic Excel LX that comes with Beam Motoring Driving School livery and a roof mounted student driver sign. Great for those who want to learn how to drive in the modern era instead of in the 1980s.
HX: Equipped with a 187hp 2.4L Hybrid I4 coupled to a CVT transmission, and all of the equipment on the LX model.
LX Sport: Equipped with a 178hp 2.4L I4 coupled to either a 6 speed manual or automatic transmission. Also comes with a mesh grille, a factory body kit, a rear spoiler, 5 spoke wheels, sport tires, sport suspension, a sport LSD, white sport gauges, aluminum pedals, GPS, and a sunroof.
V6: Very similar to the LX Sport model, except it comes with a 268hp 3.5L V6.
Show off: This modified Excel LX has been lowered, given aftermarket wheels, intake, exhaust, coilovers, brakes, yellow fog lights, and a custom paint job, but at the end of the day, it's still just as boring to drive as any other Excel.
Street Tuned: This LX Sport has been given a turbo kit, aftermarket wheels, custom decals, a bigger rear spoiler, racing bucket seats, a roll cage, and a Nomi racing wheel. Makes for a pretty good, budget friendly track day car!
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Exterior and Interior: (Based off the V6 automatic model)