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renePRO · Nov 24, 2022

McBeamer94 said: ↑

That's exactly the truck I'm referring to.
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Yes i'm sorry i misunderstood (i'm Dutch)

McBeamer94 · Nov 24, 2022

renePRO said: ↑

Yes im sorry i misunderstood (im Dutch)
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No problem!

Aquila:) · Nov 24, 2022

McBeamer94 said: ↑

Had never heard of this before. That's what the V is useful for, removing water faster.
That's exactly the truck I'm referring to. It has no engine, for confusing us, it has the twin front lamps on the front bull bar and it's also got the twin spares at the rear. It's definitely the modern Trophy Truck.
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That's really cool actually, hadn't thought of this!
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Does the trophy truck also have the scoop on the roof? If it is one I’m not sure but looks to me like one

Cutlass · Nov 24, 2022

Anyone have pics of the piccobuggy shell?

ManfredE3 · Nov 24, 2022

Cutlass said: ↑

Anyone have pics of the piccobuggy shell?
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I think I have them all linked in my expectations post:

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There was a couple of us that use to do those. I think @CaptainZoll and @crazikyle use to as well? IMO it's less useful now than it use to be since they team has really tightened up how they do teasers. Vehicle content is generally teased at most 2 updates out and other additions are generally a surprise. But looking at what we "know" is coming up and for the sake of having everything organized in one place...

For the color coding I went with green for stuff that we can be reasonably certain of in the next update; orange for near future items and potentially next update; and red for things that were confirmed to not be coming in the near future whatsoever

Updated 2022/11/22

Release date: December 2022. A holiday season update is standard practice and lines up with their intention of a 3 month update cycle.

Vehicle content:

Teaser Tuesday Trophy Truck: Teaser Tuesday Trophy Truck. See here for brighter image courtest of @FenderBenderTV Teased on Oct 12th, this seems to be a dark render of a tube frame off road racer of some description. There is too much unknown to really speculate about this right now. It could be completely custom or related to a new pickup truck of any description. Ferretank did mention here that the prerunner was supposed to be more of a home built prerunner and left the idea of a true trophy truck open, while also expressing interest in a stadium truck. Both of those options would require a ground up tube frame platform with a pickup truck body like we see in the teaser. Being that this is a darker teaser like we saw with the initial FCV and Bastion teasers I suspect this is further out, perhaps 0.28 content. Note: There has been a lot of speculation about the Bastion's engines being in the common folder for some reason. Do they have a vehicle in the pipeline, such as this truck, which will borrow these engines? I personally suspect this will be powered by the Bastion's V8 just to have some variety from all the modern Gavril V8 swaps we already have.

Update 2022/11/22: This teaser was posted of it running down a straight desert road. @tobias95ng posted a screenshot of the underside of the truck. The trucks looks finished, so I'm changing this from orange to green. We can clearly see a fair amount of the mechanical bits of the truck in the screenshot from Tobias95ng. It's interesting that they didn't post audio. Could that be hiding a new V8 sound, or does this use a V6 like some IRL Baja trophy trucks?

I have to mention the discussion about an accompanying street truck. My personal opinion is that we do need a modern full sized pickup and are honestly over due for it. It would fill multiple empty niches, pair well with existing content, add to Bruckell's much needed lore/lineup, be useful for career mode, be fairly unique, and is highly requested content. Personally I was expecting the next new vehicle to be a Bruckell full sized 2022 MY truck and was surprised to see all the stuff we have been instead. A lot of people seem to think this trophy truck's existance points to a street truck coming with it. While I personally do not see anything here as hard evidence of one currently in development, it's a common enough position that I have to mention it here.

Euro Utility Van: This... Thing... Was posted on 2022/11/01. Once again it's a render with dark shadows making it difficult to see anything and suggesting this is still early development; perhaps 0.28 content. From the little we can see it looks a lot like a 1960's-1980's Euro utility van; like a Unimog/Volvo C306/Pinzgauer/Mercedes T2. @WhatNot98 pointed out that it seems to be RHD and thus British or Japanese, or at least a market variation. Meanwhile, @CaptainZoll pointed out that it has the grille notch which is a trademark of modern ETK designs. Regardless; it's the first heavyweight we've had in a long time, first COE, and the first non-American heavyweight (Sorry Pigeon) and the first proper off road cargo-hauler. There's a lot of potential content for this including a lot of off road possibilities. Could we see a trial truck/Dakar truck to go with all the other off road content we have and have seen? @Jackets64 provided brightened images here. I call it the ChoroQ van because it's boxy and stubby, like the trucks from the ChoroQ line of toys and videogames.

Mystery Tube Frame Car/Buggy: Hiding in the background of the 2022/11/17 map teaser. It's a tube frame car/truggy thing with new seats. Doesn't look like the Piccobuddy, ETK truck, or trophy truck. @Acrain7 has a zoomed in picture of the buggy with a quick comparison to the Piccobuggy and trophy truck. Being that this is in the background of another teaser and behind a gas station sign it's impossible to tell much anything from it, including if it looks "done" enough for this update's release. Between all these off road vehicles and content we already have it seems like the team is trying to cross off the bigger classes in Baja/Dakar races. Could this be a Dakar T1 car? It does look like it will get a car shell and it is not front engined leading @CaptainZoll to the conclusion that it is an SBR derivative

SBR remaster: While there's no proper sign of a remaster coming up, @McBeamer94 and @dart have been going back and forth about some new intercoolers for the SBR's engine that are in the files. In order to actually use these the SBR's body would need some changes, which suggests this is possibly next on the list of upcoming remasters. Post #1, post #2, Post #3

Score Class 5 Autobello Piccobuggy: See here for the model and here for it in game. Not officially shown and leaked via game files in the initial 0.26 release. Being that it is partially in game I suspect we will see an official teaser soon and release for 0.27

Update 11/08/22: Official teaser. This leaves a fair bit to speculate about, a dedicated tube frame would be a first for the game and leaves a few possibilities (I assume we will at least see a tarmac track weapon). Engine options are currently unknown but it looks like it may use the SBR's F4, which makes sense looking at IRL counterparts such as the Grabowski Class 5 Subaru. As far as body options go: There is a modern fiberglass shell in the files, which leaves the question of what was it we saw with the 0.26 leaks? Was it a test bed using the Piccolina unibody, are we getting a version of this which uses a front and rear tube sub-frame on the Piccolina's unibody (not unlike both Civetta'a superbuilds), will it have the option for a fiberglass Piccolina shell or the modern buggy shell on a dedicated tube frame platform? Regardless, it certainly looks like it's far enough in development that we can expect it in 0.27

ETK K-Series Remaster: A mild widebody was teased on Jul 12th but not seen in 0.26. The K-Series, while better quality than many not-yet-remastered cars in game, is possibly the worst for quantity of content and at least some work on remastering her will facilitate any work on her cousin the 800-Series, which is in the same boat in terms on needing a remaster. Perhaps we will see both get remastered in 0.27

Map content:

New Map: The map team has been pretty much silent now that the map remasters are apparently done (sorry Cliff map) and we really haven't heard anything since Italy released in December 2018. We are two months away from going 4 years without a proper new map and certainly overdue for something. Back in May TDev did a Q&A where he mentioned a lot of his hopes for the near future game. This included mention of an upcoming "sunny and dry" map currently in the works but it "still has a ways to go".

Update: See here for @BowlerHatJack's observations suggesting an Automation Test Track remaster

Rocks teased on 2022/11/10. Are these generic props? Are they going to be part of the new mystery map? With all the off road content we've gotten and the mention of it being dry, it being rocky would make sense. Note the human scale reference, these things are big.

Update 2022/11/15: T-Rex gas station teased on 2022/11/15. Concept art for a gas station from a new brand on an arid map. Looks like this is what TDev was taking about. We can't know how much of the concept art is just art versus what will actually be part of the map, which makes speculation difficult. Between TDev's comments from the Q&A, the generally arid look of the map, the off road racing content we've been seeing, and the fact that this was teased on the first day of the Baja 1000 it seems safe to say this is Mexico or south west USA. The English writing and gas prices on the teaser suggest this is in the USA, but being that this is concept art I don't think it's fair to consider this to be definitive evidence. Or maybe this is getting added to an existing map and has nothing to do with the new map at all...

Update 2022/11/17: In game screenshot of the gas station, with a surprise. See "vehicle content" section of this post. The gas prices and use of English language remain, which mean this is almost certainly southwest USA. While having a third map in this area is a disappointment to some, it should solve at least some of the problems many have with WCUSA and it does make sense to have a lot of map content in a geographically close area for career mode.

Update 2022/11/22: This teaser was posted of the trophy truck running down a straight desert road. That straight road doesn't look like anything from an existing map, and the soil color matches that from the last teaser. It's worth noting the background mountains and radio tower are reminiscent of WCUSA

Physics & such:

Ropeables: TDev mentioned that ropes/ties are WIP and winches are on his short term wish list. Not only would that be important for cargo and off road gameplay, but it would also allow for more types of vehicles (Cranes, wreckers, hook & chain tow trucks, etc....)

Airbags: Airbags were tested but declared not currently feasible

Ignition System: Vehicle Ignition System Changes are being worked on

Improved Aerodynamics: TDev was going to come back to this question during his Q&A but never did

Tire Thermals; Mud/Scratches: Things in these directions will be coming soon

ABS Updates: Vehicle electronics are one of those things that are pretty much always WIP and a potential to see in an update; but on 2022/10/21 Diamondback posted some big ABS improvements with the note that he is working on an overall ABS overhaul. We may see some bits make it into 0.27 but an entire overhaul would probably take longer than that. Maybe 0.28. Additional post here

Gameplay:

Walking mode; Triggers; Career Mode Sneak Peak; AI/Traffic updates; Mission System; Steam Achievements; and UI changes have all been WIP in recent updates and this will most likely continue for the foreseeable future

Everything else:

Misc: TDev's long term wish list includes deformable terrain, "huge" maps, and more. He hopes that they will finally get on that 3 month update cycle they've been mentioning but unable to stick to.

Torquescript: Ongoing effort to remove TorqueScript which may be done this year

Driver Model: Feasibility of a driver model was being investigated

Pedestrians: Same for pedestrians, which were deemed not currently feasible but still on the long term wish list. Additional post on this topic

Sounds: Expect a post from TDK about what they have been working on at some point. Perhaps related to audio ray tracing, which will potentially improve cabin noises and allow for some other cool stuff. Additional post here. Update: See this comment from @FFIVGUY.

To all: Please do respond with anything I missed or any additional sources I can add to this post
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Cutlass · Nov 24, 2022

ManfredE3 said: ↑

I think I have them all linked in my expectations post:
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yup thats was I was lookin for thanks

McBeamer94 · Nov 24, 2022

Aquila:) said: ↑

Does the trophy truck also have the scoop on the roof? If it is one I’m not sure but looks to me like one
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Yes, it does. Or at least it looks like it does.

Bexcon · Nov 24, 2022

Maybe the new Trophy Truck will use the engine from Bastion, because its engine (Bastion) is in a common folder.

Jackets64 · Nov 24, 2022

Bexcon said: ↑

Maybe the new Trophy Truck will use the engine from Bastion, because its engine (Bastion) is in a common folder.
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This is extremely likely.

Deleted member 174490 · Nov 24, 2022

That's 4 cars now right? Plus the K Series remaster? There's no way they can release all of these in a single update.

united. · Nov 24, 2022

i doubt they add the old van thing this update

it'll be neat if the update released on Christmas

Ax50 · Nov 24, 2022

What's really weird is that we had teasers outside of Tuesdays for some reason
What do they mean by this

hacker420 · Nov 24, 2022

Ax50 said: ↑

What's really weird is tha
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you got cut off

Aquila:) · Nov 24, 2022

Ax50 said: ↑

What's really weird is that we had teasers outside of Tuesdays for some reason
What do they mean by this
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Has only happened twice in the history of teasers (apart from the last 3 obviously) and it was shortly before a big release both times. Pretty unusual tho

Zoomanata · Nov 24, 2022

Aquila:) said: ↑

Has only happened twice in the history of teasers (before the last 3 obviously) and it was shortly before a big release both times. Pretty unusual tho
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i have a feeling ages ago, earlier this year when people were talking about 0.26, tdev said that 0.27 will be a big one (i THINK, not certain tho)

hacker420 · Nov 24, 2022

Zoomanata said: ↑

i have a feeling ages ago, earlier this year when people were talking about 0.26, tdev said that 0.27 will be a big one (i THINK, not certain tho)
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it sure is shaping up to be a big one, especially with the offroad vehicle focus.

zachariah.74 · Nov 24, 2022

All this content is great, but I'd like to also see tyre thermals in my christmas stocking this year

(Unrelated, but realised I recently hit 1000 agrees, mainly due to this thread I bet as I'm most active on this one, cheers lads!)

Aquila:) · Nov 24, 2022

Zoomanata said: ↑

i have a feeling ages ago, earlier this year when people were talking about 0.26, tdev said that 0.27 will be a big one (i THINK, not certain tho)
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You mean his Q&A I assume, I’m not sure about him saying that it will be big, he did certainly talk about many planned features for 0.27 and 0.28, so I agree, it definitely sounded like sth big is coming
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zachariah.74 said: ↑

All this content is great, but I'd like to also see tyre thermals in my christmas stocking this year
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Me too, let’s hope for the best

Bauer33333 · Nov 24, 2022

Now I understand why they added electric motors to the drivetrain drawing power from the engine. My mind initially went towards an official Belaz truck but the Labrador Beaver makes a lot more sense. Looking forward to see how it drives and how the petrol-electric setup interacts with each other

Ax50 · Nov 24, 2022

I have the feeling it'll be a 2 parts update like with the Bastion at Christmas last year

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