Update Speculation thread

If you can hate on minivans, he can have his Kia Carens.

 

Suburban = Minivan?

This isn’t happening, it’s got a flat floor, it’s a fwd car

What

 

Can we PLEASE go back to being speculative instead of combative? Thanks! The rest of the forums are already a mess, so could we at least keep it clean here?

 

Yeah suburban is essentially a minivan nowadays, both are targetted to the same demographic (suburb families with children needing storage space) both have the same size, at this point they have similar styling aside from sliding doors and ground clearance and the only real mechanical differences is rwd/4wd vs fwd

 

the suburban is also a truck based vehicle

 

And modern high performance SUV, of every size - the Tograc (in 230SQ, S 270Q, S 310Q Arsenic, S 350Q and S 410Q Arsenic guises) can represent the Compact performance SUV niche while the modern Full-Size SUV (based on the modern Full-Size Pick Up, of course) can represent the Full-Size performance SUV niche.
There can also be a Midsize performance SUV, made by ETK. After all, the new 4.4 ttSport V8, with the ttSport Turbocharger, the 550 ttSport/600 ttSport ECUs and the 8-Speed Automatic with the Heavy Duty Torque Converter, is a great candidate for this car.
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And the fact that no Minivan features any V8 engine.
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I don't hate the Wigeon, the 4-wheel variant is actually a very nice car to drive. I put the 1.3 I4, the rear LSD and the longest available final drive and it has plenty of torque for every day commuting. Only slight problem is that it needs the slicks to put the power down because, even without any performance parts, the 1.3 I4 still has plenty of torque to spin the rear wheels on 3rd gear. But still, I find it very pleasing to drive.

 

Happened out a

most likely fwd standard but awd for higher trims

 

We neeed a 70s/80s quirky french car!!!!!!

 

Hopefully, I really dislike fwd. But I think it will have AWD as, already pointed out by AgentY, the transmission tunnel is very big

 

you do realise some vans were rwd/4wd longitudinal

 

generic minivan my beloved oh my goodness

 

Anyways... Here we go.

Color coding:
Green means we can be reasonably certain of it in the next update
Orange means we can expect it in near future and potentially the next update
Red means it's either confirmed to not be coming in the near future whatsoever or in development limbo

Updated 2023/06/27, new items in bold

Release date: 0.28 released on 2023/04/04. If the team can stick to that 3 month update schedule they want going forward then we are looking at early July.

Update 2023/05/24: @Safthof pointed out that the Gambler 500 event lines up with the approx. expected release date for this update. With that in mind it's safe to expect the update around the time of the Gambler 500, which is weekend of July 16th.

Vehicle content:

• Mystery Minivan Soliad Lansdale
  • First teased on 2023/05/16, update speculation thread discussion starts here
    
  • This puts the team at 3/4 for filling the top requested vehicle niches lately (Bastion and Scintilla being the other 2 top requests). All that's missing now is a modern American full sized BoF pickup.
    • @CaptainZoll has a nice writeup of the top requests on the forum threads here
  • With the team only teasing the JBeam we can only discuss so much about the particulars. The general consensus is that this is a mid 2000's Asian vehicle (it has been awhile since we got a proper Asian vehicle, sorry Wigeon...). It could also be American or European, and also could be older. Cherrier is a fair option as they only have one platform and lately the team has been giving more content to the 1-2 car brands in game. There isn't much to go off of to get a feel for the vehicle size but it seems to be on the larger size, a proper three row MPV.
  • As far as drivelines go... This seems to have a transmission tunnel, so optional AWD is a safe bet.
  • Looking at a release date... As a rule of thumb we should assume 9 month development time. I doubt the team really got much done in 2022 on this with how much work went into 0.27. Could the team be aggressive and get this out in 7 months? Maybe. Perhaps that 9 months is out of date as the team has grown and processes improved. If this ends up being a 4 month update then maybe we could see this in the next update. But I wouldn't count on it just yet...
  • This would tie in really well to the Gambler 500 content (see below) as minivans are a somewhat common base for Gambler builds
  • Update 2023/06/13: Teaser Tuesday of the new minivan in Gambler 500 attire. This is a fairly rational build by Gambler 500 standards. Side exit exhaust and a steel bumper that looks straight out of Wreckfest, another PVC snorkel like the Pigeon's new snorkel, scaffolding instead of a rear door, sheet metal fender flares (which don't even match front to rear); and an LED bar worth several times the rest of the rig. Update speculation thread discussion starts here.
    • There appears to be a steel dingy strapped to the roof... That would be a cute prop to mount on roofs in general, hopefully we can get a trailer for it too. It's been ages since we've had a new trailer and one with a boat prop could be a lot of fun
    • Update Speculation thread discussion starts here. It seems that the general consensus is that this is a Bruckell. It's worth noting that back when the Wendover was in development there was speculation it could get a Minivan cousin. If this does turn out to be a Bruckell I personally imagine it would use the Soliad's engines but not much more than that.
    • Being that this has a Gambler config it's safe to say it'll release in this update
  • Update 2023-06-20: Teaser Tuesday Gambler 500 post featuring a Gambler 500 config for the Piccobello and Grand Marshall, with what appears to be a base model panel van version of this minivan in the background. Update speculation thread discussion starts here.
  • Update 2023-06-27: Teaser of a factory spec minivan. This is the first time we're properly seeing a factory spec! We see the badging reads "Soliad Lansdale, 3.8 AWD SE". Update Speculation thread discussion starts here.
    • Confirmed optional AWD
    • It seems safe to say this will be a Bruckell parts bin car heavily reusing at least driveline bits of the LeGran and Wendover. Both Bruckell V6 options are a safe bet, potentially with updates as this should be a good 5-10 years newer than the Wendover. Other transverse Bruckell engines may appear as a swap, not unlike the Wendover's i4 swap.
    • We could potentially see a Bruckell version as well, which would be a great first. Currently we only have 2 cars which fall under luxury marques: The '53 Special, which is nearly entirely unique from the Gavril lineup, and the Wendover, which shares a lot with the LeGran but isn't entirely the same platform. A Bruckell with a cheaper interior, i4 base model, and no access to the 3.8L V6 would make sense. Alternatively we could see a Euro spec with a manual and a small turbodiesel.
    • We can see that this has 3 rows, could we see a SWB version like the IRL counterparts from both GM and Chrysler? Ford was the only one that had a single wheelbase option (Windstar was the "LWB" whereas the Mercury Villager was the "SWB", but that was built on an unrelated platform).

• Gambler 500 content: On 2023/05/22 the team announced a Gambler 500 themed modding contest in collaboration with the race organizers and Automation. Where this got interesting was on 2023/05/23's Teaser Tuesday post showing two mad scientist builds in collaboration with the Gambler team, including the same Bolide form the modding contest post
  • Vehicle #1 is a six wheeled Boldie (Or the "Bolidede" as as christened by @DOUGL4S1 )... As cool as a 4x6 AWS Bolide would be, I would think this would be a simple dead axle addition to keep the theme of "simple but crazy" builds that is usually seen in the Gambler 500.
  • Vehicle #2 is a Covet with the back cut off and replaced with a single giant agricultural wheel. The build is somewhat reminiscent of Adam Anderson's Chevy Steam Roller build. While it theoretically could use a chain drive to be RWD, I would think this would retain the FWD layout for simplicity
  • There was a comment from the official BeamNG twitter account suggesting Gambler content that somehow relates to the Pigeon. Too vague to place any bets on what this is just yet though.
  • Update 2023/05/30: Teaser Tuesday post with an off road Pigeon carrying a porta-loo. Update Speculation Thread discussion starts here. There isn't all that much to say about this one... Some big chonky off road tires on the Pigeon and the bed has been replaced with a porta-loo, which suggests we will be getting one as a prop. It's interesting that the back looks relatively professionally built then the front has a snorkel made from PVC... I dub thee "Porta-Pigeon".
  • Getting more into the realm of speculation here... It seems like there is some more content yet to be teased for the Gambler 500 tie in. Being that these are somewhat involved I wouldn't expect too many of them, but maybe a couple more builds. Truck frame swaps are another fairly common build; so maybe the team will drop a random passenger car body onto a D-Series frame. I doubt any would involve a vehicle yet to be remastered due to how involved these are.
  • Hopefully we will get some non-super-build content as well... Sawzalled fenders with cheap lift kits and off road tires are pretty much the standard build type so hopefully we will be seeing lots of sawzalled fenders for the roster coming up.
  • If there are any more major Gambler 500 builds coming up, I wouldn't suggest expecting any on a vehicle which needs a major remaster. That's a lot of work to put into a vehicle that will potentially be getting foundational changes (such as the Moonhawk)
  • Update 2023-06-20: Teaser Tuesday Gambler 500 post featuring a Gambler 500 config for the Piccobello and Grand Marshall. The Grand Marshall is another one that has a pretty standard Gambler build. Homebrew bash bar, roof rack, and snorkel with some generic all terrain tires, bolt on fender flares that seem to not even have cut fenders under them, and a quick and dirty paint job. The Piccobello is a little more extreme with some sawzalled body work and suspension modifications, with a really nice looking roof rack. Jury is still out on what those rear tires are. They might be new wide tires, makeshift dualies, or singles that are blending into the background. Oh yeah, and it has a bathtub where the fuel cell is supposed to be. Seems safe. Update speculation thread discussion starts here.

• SBR remaster: While there's no proper sign of a remaster coming up, @McBeamer94 and @dart have been going back and forth about some new intercoolers for the SBR's engine that are in the files. In order to actually use these the SBR's body would need some changes, which suggests this is possibly next on the list of upcoming remasters. Alternatively, this could be intended only for swapping it into different vehicles, but that seems like a waste of perfectly good intercoolers to me.
  • Post #1
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  • Post #3

• Moonhawk remaster: Again, no proper sign of a remaster but many speculate that her remaster is next due to the fact that for whatever reason they have been drip-feeding content to the Moonhwak but not other vehicles.
• Grand Marshall remaster: It was remastered but not to the same scope that current remasters cover, so sooner or later the team should be returning to this one
  • Update 2023-06-20: Teaser Tuesday Gambler 500 post featuring a Gambler 500 GM. This is unexpected as the GM is the first car to get a Gambler config that isn't a recent addition or a remastered car. The remaster she did get covered the big issues with the model, so the stuff remaining shouldn't affect the Gambler additions. Maybe they are returning to this, maybe not.
• Gavril T-Series remaster: A lot of people have been suggesting this will be coming up as it got the hydraulic updates and was omitted from the 0.28 openable door improvements. While the new hydraulics is probably just a case of new content with limited applications currently, the lack of openable doors is strange.

• Other remasters: The following vehicles have yet to be fully remastered and have not been mentioned above: Burnside '53 Special, ETK I-Series, Gavril Barstow, Hirochi Sunburst, Ibishu 200BX, Ibishu Hopper, Ibishu Miramar, Ibishu Pessima mod.1988, Wentward DT40L

• See this post for some speculation from @CaptainZoll discussing potential heavy equipment additions

Map content:

• Maybe a cliff map remaster? Nothing else to say here really...

Physics & such:

• Ropeables: TDev mentioned that ropes/ties are WIP and winches are on his short term wish list. Not only would that be important for cargo and off road gameplay, but it would also allow for more types of vehicles (Cranes, wreckers, hook & chain tow trucks, etc....).
  • @LucasBE has a post discussing some bits related to ropeables
  • See this post for some speculation from @CaptainZoll with a pic of a winch already modelled for the Wydra
• Airbags: Airbags were tested but declared not currently feasible
• Improved Aerodynamics: TDev was going to come back to this question during his Q&A but never did
• Tire Thermals; Mud/Scratches: Things in these directions will be coming soon.
• ABS Updates: Vehicle electronics are one of those things that are pretty much always WIP and a potential to see in an update; but on 2022/10/21 Diamondback posted some big ABS improvements with the note that he is working on an overall ABS overhaul.
  • Additional post here
• Shift logic: On 2023/04/10 Diamondback showed off concept for shift logic updates.
  • Shoutout to @CaptainZoll for reminding me to put this here
  • Update 2023/05/28: Another related post on this

Gameplay:

• Walking mode; Triggers; Career Mode Sneak Peak; AI/Traffic updates; Mission System; Steam Achievements; and UI changes have all been WIP in recent updates and this will most likely continue for the foreseeable future
  • @LucasBE has a post discussing some bits related to career mode and the like

Everything Else:

• Misc: TDev's long term wish list includes deformable terrain, "huge" maps, and more. He hopes that they will finally get on that 3 month update cycle they've been mentioning but unable to stick to.
• Torquescript: Ongoing effort to remove TorqueScript
  • We did see some progress towards this in 0.27
• Driver Model: Feasibility of a driver model was being investigated
• Pedestrians: Same for pedestrians, which were deemed not currently feasible but still on the long term wish list.
  • Additional post on this topic
• Sounds: Expect a post from TDK about what they have been working on at some point. Perhaps related to audio ray tracing, which will potentially improve cabin noises and allow for some other cool stuff.
  • Additional post here.
  • Update: See this comment from @FFIVGUY.
• Unused engine sounds: 4 cylinder that kinda sounds like a rotary/wankel from @dart and i3, i6 diesel, and V8 courtesy of @LucasBE
  • Update: 0.27 did use the new V8 sound, the others remain unused

 

Are those intercoolers not the ones that are used on the picolina buggy from 0.27?

 

I haven't taken a close look at the model but I believe so. Considering how close they are to fitting the SBR and that it would make sense for the SBR to get something like that I assume we will see that in the SBR's remaster

 

I'm very sorry sir/madam. With an unknown minivan in the works, and with possible ties to Asia, I'm just getting excited about the fact that a Kia-like vehicle may be involved. I did not mean to annoy anyone here, and I apologize.
(I'm sorry if this happens again next time there's a teaser regarding the minivan, there's just so much that this could turn out to be and I have an undying (maybe even over the top) love for the 2000-2011 era Kia Carens.)

 

The Mercedes R500 and R63 AMG would like to disagree.

 

there is so little known about it so anything is really a possibility

 

That's no minivan

That's a MEGAVAN. Wonder if they'll toss a V8 in just for funsies...

 

Thick transmission tunnel on a minivan? Unusual but then again I saw a handful like SsangYong Rodius/Stavic, Hyundai Starex and Toyota Innova.